Romany

You are under no obligation to offer excuses for not being available 24/7 to be verbally abused by the likes of U-Suss and Anti.

Like you I have made every effort to look at the argument from all sides - levels of DV and male-on-male violence. It doesn't matter what I write it is reviled. I have allowed these men to yank my chain, something I was trying to avoid. And all I have to show for it are flashbacks to a past I really need to leave behind - and for the most part I have.

I have a highly tuned sense of justice, and loathe seeing anyone bullied, however on this topic I clearly need to approach it from a Buddhist perspective of detachment.

Ciao

I think I figured out what antiseptic did regarding him altering JW's post. I realise now the post really did exist, but antiseptic changed the wording (based on other people's quotes of what JW wrote) because nobody here could go back and check, and he knew he'd get away with it. The post was deleted, and nobody could check the authenticity of antiseptic's re-writing of it. In my opinion all he did was re-write the basics of the original post, while altering or adding one or two bits. Jw has said a few times here he is a man, and he sure writes like a man.

Here's a link to my full description in that other topic (where the bitter antiseptic charges CSA employees of criminal acts, and continually refuses to back up those charges with evidence) of what I'm pretty sure antiseptic did. My two posts are near the bottom of the page.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2162&page=14

Romany:"it is true that so many threads degenerate into scrapping with you two"

What do you think is the reason for that, Romany?

I don't recall ever labelling you a "man-hater" and if I did I apologise. I don't consider you that way. In fact, with only a couple of exceptions, the women on this forum are entirely sensible people. What inevitably happens is that one of the exceptions pipes up and hijacks the thread by attacking one of the men, usually doing what she can to enlist support from the crowd along the way. That's what I meant by "pack-bullying". Sometimes it's a constant barrage of snipe and scuttle, which drowns out the discussion. Others, it's a collective henpacking, with one after the other coming in saying the same thing, while never addressing the previously-made response at all.

I don't resile from strong language, as I reckon it elicits strong responses but some people seem unable to disentangle their response to their own feelings from their response to my words. Maybe that's a compliment, albeit backhanded.

Fractelle:"It doesn't matter what I write it is reviled."

You keep saying that and I've asked you to give me examples, which you steadfastly refuse to do.

What you describe as "bullying" antiseptic is EXACTLY what you do. Maybe it takes one to know one. I've read that bullies are always the first to complain about being bullied. Maybe that why you complain so much about women who disagree with you.

On the CSA thread you decided arbitrarily that JW, because he has the same initials as a CSA employee you hate, must be that employee. You even stooped in a post to revealing the identity of that employee and making all sorts of allegations that you have been TOTALLY UNWILLING TO BACK UP WITH PROOF. That's a low-life act to do.

Threads relating to women, divorce, child support, domestic violence degenerate when you're involved because of YOUR behaviour. YOUR unwillingness to not get personal and petty. When people reply to you in the same way, you then get defensive and claim you're being bullied. Bullies are always the first to complain about being bullied.

Romany,

'I specifically stated on another thread that I was not interested in responding to you two. I realise now that being ignored can be hurtful...'

That's fine. It's not being ignored that is hurtful, it's being ignored but still being the target of snipes. It's cowardly, writing in the third person to denigrate people, but thinking you're too good for them to reply to their defence of your remarks about them. You're saying 'I'm talking about you, not to you, so shut up!'

You may be short for time, but by your own admission, not too short of time to scroll through hundreds of posts from someone's history to score points.

Fractelle,

When it comes to ignoring, I think you are the one most upset that your cut and paste googling doesn't envoke raptures of congratulations. Though to be fair, you yourself go into raptures in return for those you respect.

I actually think you may be more upset about what I don't say. You assume I don't care for women or your points, as I don't add all the disclaimers. See, I think if I decided to patronise you from the start, and gave you validation for all your posts and used half my word count showing the common ground we hold, a lot of the animosity would be avoided. I've said before this shouldn't be necessary.

A couple of people have said bullies are always the first to complain about being bullied. I see you always the first to complain, but I don't really think you are a bully. Though I would LOVE for you to point out all this verbal abuse, bullying and silencing from myself that I just cannot see. I know, I know, it's based on your feelings, and you have no need for evidence.

Sorry to have caused you so much angst, I hope you continue to enjoy your OLO experience. I will leave forever in wonder whether the passive aggressive way you position yourself as a victim is a result of your experiences, or just a manipulative tactic.

Fractelle, Romany and others,

Nevermind, they are destined to go the way of the dodo.
More evolved and intelligent men have already adjusted and are discovering the joys of not being tied to some stoopid old stereotype that can only be sustained at the cost of others' well-being. Fractelle, you definitely are NOT being passive aggressive, that is just a sneaky way of blaming the victim (as usual).

R0bert, I'm sorry but I don't even know what the hell you're posting about anymore. If I have time to wade through all of that and work it out, I'll be glad to respond.

Anyway, here is a bit of a laugh that we can all share about the ridiculousness of trying to exert power and control over others:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=muaAZE0M3LU&feature=related