I cant remember a time when I wasnt watching Defence....what they were doing in regional excercises, how they were managing themselves (the bastardisation is still at stunning levels and the young men simply wont join up), what they were purchasing...its quality and numbers.
When I became a born again christian and read about the huge asian confederacy army called the kings of the east (Revelation 9:16 and 16:12) I watched Defence more.
They just didnt have it. They hadnt read The Word.
They worked to a weaker, different beat making do with scraps from Budgets, and not building with the Holy Bible in hand.
China DOES an outward march. Millions of soldiers.
Now Im willing to say "I think its too late for Australia"...most of the land mass.
We blew the opportunity to make Australia a fortress against the vast armies to the north and far north and now we can clearly see whats coming.
If the US nuclear umbrella comes down...I say when...Australia is on her own and the new Kevin Rudd White Paper on Defence wont matter two bob if it doesnt already cope with the urgent need for a scattered citizens home guard defence force.
Who really thinks Australia is safe if the mighty USA goes to war with the other two major world powers and they become absent from the South Pacific region?

Gibo,

Firstly welcome back.

Who is Jack Burrell that you often mention? Most Google searches I do give results that are mostly yours from this and other websites. I noted a few prophecy websites naming him, but do not give any information about him. It was through doing a Google search on Jack Burrell that I came across this web site.

He may be right, but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe him. The only source of prophecy that I will fully accept is the Bible. I've been involved with Pentecostal Churches for years now, and I've seen numerous prophecies that have been false. In fact, this led me to leave the Pentecostal Church for a number of years.

With regard to your comments about Christ's return happening before the death of the last person born before 1948. Christ did indicate that it wasn't for us to know the time of his return. We need to be careful claiming that he has to return at a particular time. As a Christian, I have always accepted that Christ can return at any time. There is no reason why his return could be before I finish typing this post, or it could be in 10,000 years. We don't know, but need to be ready. In history, various Christian groups have predicted dates for the return of Christ, but these have passed unfulfilled. I remember a book published in the 1980's "88 Reasons Why Christ Will Return In 1988". I can give you one reason why the book is wrong.

Personally, I leave these doom and gloom preachers alone.

Dear Gibo,

Welcome back from me as well.

I fully sympathise with your feelings of
"doom and gloom."

I often feel very depressed watching the news,
reading newspapers.

However, as Charles Olson proclaimed,
"What doesn't change is the will to change."

Because I believe this, my life over the years,
in spite of adversity at times, has moved
towards fulfilment, with my work, and with the
people who are close to me.

That there can be change, and that there are
positive alternatives is evident, all we have
to do is find and take direction.

As the writer Maurice Strandgard insists:

"Somewhere there must be a place
Called Little Peace
Where men with little humanity
Do not have the power
To make great decisions.
Where little fears do not lessen
The so small span
Of our lives,
Where
For once
We can know peace.
Just a little.
To know the taste of it."

Take care.

Yes welcome back Gibo saying something controversial always brings posts in your threads.
In fact I often try to think who posted that on reading the title before opening the thread.
You stumped me this time.
Nothing however has changed, people thought just like that even before federation.
Once the evil about to over throw us was Russia now in your view its China.
Your kings of the east remember only exist for some, not all Christians
We mate are in numbers equal to about 1% of our potential enemy's lets hope we never have to fight them.

It's a good subject Gibo. In fact, one of the utmost importance...second only to sustainability issues I reckon.

I said before, on one of your general threads, that I think the European cum multicultural occupation of this continent will ulitmately be a very short phase in between two very long phases; Aboriginal occupation and Asian occupation.

I was very surprised to get no reaction at all to that.

I don't really know what the gist of Rudd's defence strategy is (I'm not keeping up with things very well while I'm travelling around the country), but I do know that it is an extremely important matter.

Oh Gibo, forgot about you. Not until I saw the same old drum being smacked and that dull plonking thud of the born again fundi Christian (MUCH worse than a reformed smoker) emanating from the screen did I realise I hadn't seen you for awhile.

Welcome Back!.

You'll be dead and buried long before those yellow men (sums it, eh Gibo?) begin stomping their way down through the Asia's to rape our women and pillage our lands. Kinda like what you lot all did to the Indigenous. Ironic, really.

I've actually got my money on an Eastern Indo, Australiasian (gasp, Gibo, gasp....), South Pacific including Japan, South Korea and various other nations together in something that mirrors a southern Nato multinational thingo.

That might save your vege patch Gib's.

Ah yes, the Yellow Peril, as foretold in Revelations.

Welcome back Gibo - we needed some light relief.

Yes Gibo, welcome back. I genuinely feared something had happened to you so am pleased to see you again.

And not to worry: if I see the troops massing under my window with "Australia or Bust" written on their helmets I'll drop a quick post down to you all to prepare you in time!

Wo ai ni Romany (Platonic of course :)... ur precious.. you actually miss 'Gibo' :)

Gibo.. there is cause for rejoicing mate :)

Now we need to work on Pericles, CJ, Bugsy, Fractelle, Romany of course and quite a few others..

Let's continue to pray..that, as this song says "The circle will be unbroken.. by and by"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqFda3HTpw&feature=related

I know that behind Gibo's concerns for the national security of Australia, is his greater concern for the ultimate destiny of all of us. What does it matter if Australia is overtaken by "those who can kill the body"? Far more important is the we, each, are totally consumed by and filled with Him who will call all mankind to account.

In historical terms, it might very well be 'too late' for Australia, but it is never 'too late' for "Australians"...... who can choose to follow the Savior no matter who is running the show.

Regarding national security and our present status in this land.. most of don't realize that the period of peace since the last major war in 39-45 where invasion of our land was a fact.. it's only been around 60 yrs... If one reads the Old Testament.. specially the books of Kings/Chronicles.. it's clear that there were many periods that long between wars. But during those times when Israel had peace.. OTHER nations were 'building/working/planning' for her destruction and inclusion into their own empires.

Nothing's changed.

Hi folks.
Steel Mann.
Jack Burrells book WHAT WILL BECOME OF AUSTRALIA 1975 is still out there amongst the pentecostals. I accept the two-part vision because I knew Jacks reputation...and visions still come today. The essence of the story is ...that one night Jack got up in the early hours to pray. After praying he went back to bed and fell asleep and The Lord powered in a vision of this huge map of the world slowly filling in with black from northern India, down into South East Asia and on to Australia. The black kept filling in all of the way down the east coast to Byron Bay NSW, then it stopped. In the west the black kept going until it reached North West Cape WA. Jack believed he was seeing the path of an invader moving south through many nations and into Australia.
The second half of the vision showed people moving south in the heat of the outback sun in either southern QLD or northern NSW, along with dogs and cattle, as they fled the invader and Jack being told by an Australian army officer in the vision to get out of that area because a land battle was going to happen that day.
Jacks book travelled far and wide amongst the Assembly of God churches in the late 70's and early 80's and was sold in many christian bookshops.
Jack was an ex-WW2 RAAF airman, a pastor and at the time of the vision living in Ballina NSW... just down the road from Byron Bay NSW.
Who better to receive this vision.
Over subsequent days Jack had many other confirmations of the two-part vision and many other revelations about Oz during the Bibles endtimes. There are many revelations out there about the invader and it all adds up to correspond with Chinas huge military build-up. I had Jacks story up on a blogger but took it down because I got so exhausted from the work. I will put it back up later on maybe this year or early next.

Gibo,

I hope you've noted from the comments on this thread that people here actually do like you.

When Jack Burrell wrote "What Will Become Of Australia" in 1975, the idea of Australia been invaded by Asia in the way he described was nothing new. I'm old enough to remember the fear that many Australians had in those days of Communists invading Thailand, then Malaysia, Indonesia and then Australia. Wasn't that the reason we went to Vietnam? If Jack Burrell's prophecy is true, there is not much we Christians can do about it except trust in God. I believe that at the moment the greatest threat to Australia comes from fanatical Islam Extemists, as read in today's paper.

Maybe, Gibo, the invader you talk about is already arriving, through our airports on commercial flights thanks to our immigration policies.

I must have missed that, Ludwig.

>>I said before, on one of your general threads, that I think the European cum multicultural occupation of this continent will ulitmately be a very short phase in between two very long phases; Aboriginal occupation and Asian occupation.<<

Sounds reasonable to me.

The only difference in outcome will be whether it is by and large an economic occupation, or an occupation by force.

The former is inevitable, while the latter is a matter of our choice. If we upset enough people for long enough, there may come a tipping point - possibly around the middle of this century - where patience is lost, and invasion becomes a practical necessity.

Economic subservience is certainly the lesser of the two evils, in the sense that it gives us the opportunity to remain largely Australian.

What will be most interesting is whether it becomes a religious thing, or remains purely economic.

My bet is that pragmatism will trump spiritualism, and the Australian economy will simply become increasingly under the control of our customers, who will want to tighten their grip on the entirety of the supply chain rather than worry about which God we choose to worship.

So rest easy, gibo and Boaz. They're not after your souls. Just your economy.

Good stuff here ladies and gents. Thanks for it and thanks for wishing me well. I got banned for a month for attacking Steel Mann over christian things. Sorry Steel:) Even old guys can learn.

Yes...Im always for better Defence.
OZ Defence got run down over decades (so rundown I thought "hey, thats almost deliberate") and its still poor... even 3rd world considering all we have built and all we have to lose. We need to be independent of the USA unless she's not there one day to protect the younger brother.
If we could do that scattered citizens home guard army...print for it, train it up, equip it, like Switzerland, we would be in a safer position against the armies that hover above us.
Steven L Meyer reckons we need nukes as a deterent? He could be right. Without a capacity to deliver though, all of the way even to China, nukes wouldnt be a great help. As Steel Mann suggests the enemy is already here. Islam quietly moves through the burbs slowly securing her power bases. China has her spies here, too many to watch. Bit by bit we're losing it anyway.
Its the rape, plunder of an invader I detest.
Ive seen reports on and photos of what the Indonesians do to their own christians. ...and theyre only a stones throw from Darwin.

Gibo,

All is forgiven. That's what Christianity is all about. Romans 14 spoke to me, and I hope it will for you too. Christians can agree to disagree on particular topics.

I may find some of your views extreme, and may in future oppose them, but in future I'm going to do it in the right spirit. That's what OLO is all about, presenting both sides of the story. Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. It's no use us agreeing on everything if we are all wrong. We learn from opposing ideas, and serious debate.

I had to admit to my Pastor last Sunday that because we have lived in such a prosperous society for many years now, and I personally have achieved prosperity, that it is very easy to forget how to trust God.
Maybe that could be a topic for another thread.

Hooray for the second coming of the Gibo!

I disagree with almost all his views, deplore his strident fundamentalism, and can only conclude that his fevered and paranoid opinions are a consequence of untreated schizophrenia.

But I was worried about him for a while there.

Thanks Steel Mann. I will watch my behaviour:)
Awww shucks Sancho...you care.

Heres something...

Actually you can pick the era for the great Chinese outward march into asia (for any southwards movement on to Australia of this huge military force we have to rely on "extra revelations"...i.e. visions and prophecies additional to the KINGS OF THE EAST written about in Revelation 9:16 and 16:12). Prophecies and visions still happen even today.
I dont suppose all that many folks realise this...but a time can be picked and with some general accuracy.

We were talking in church (small on-fire for The Holy Spirit pentecostal christian church) last Friday night about the economic chaos sweeping the world and how the "money lovers" were desperately looking for a man to sort it all out.
Well that man is there, somewhere out there amongst the sea of other faces, and believed to be alive today.
He is called the Beast and he is the final Adolf Hitler and will, it appears, reign from the European Union. Time for the Jews to leave.
His reign will last 7 years and it is at the end of this 7 year reign that he so stirs up China with his mad behaviour that China commits to putting her soldiers on the outward, westward path to confont him.

How do we know he is alive today? It is simple.
In Revelation 13 verses 16-18 and in 14 verses 9-11 we see a new ID/banking system involving a mark on either the right hand or forehead or as it appears its going to be...a micropchip (the mark of the beast 666).
George Bush has at least once mentioned this mark as "an E-tag for everyone. Got to watch for those terrorists".
The BBC has already presented it as "a good idea to help watch for possible terrorists".
...and, of course, medical science an old peoples homes wants to microchip the old folks so they can monitor them if they wander away.

*Towards the end of the Beasts' 7 year reign.
Lets hope we're ready.
God's Given us the time...

Pericles wrote: "The only difference in outcome will be whether it is by and large an economic occupation, or an occupation by force."

Why would the populations of Asian countries bother invading Australia when they can simply migrate here peacefully?

A peaceful demographic takeover is much easier and cheaper than a military invasion, especially when the country in question is allowing itself to be taken over.

As it stands, the Australian government is effectively giving the populations of Asian countries the green light to colonise Australia, a policy historian Geoffrey Blainey labelled the "surrender Australia" policy.

According to Blainey:

"In the past 30 years the government of Australia has moved from the extreme of wanting a white Australia to the extreme of saying that we will have an Asian Australia and that the quicker we move towards it the better."

If present immigration trends continue, Asian countries will be able to conquer Australia without firing a shot.

If such a scenario seems far-fetched and alarmist, then I suggest you look at demographic trends in the United States, particularly in a number of the southern states where Hispanic immigrants and their descendants now form the largest ethnic/racial group.

Efranke:)
I write as I always write and thats with the Bibles' endtimes in mind.

Its going to be a mad time on earth... the Bible tells believers. Totally mad at the end.
Its going to be a different-from-the-norm time when a slow takeover by other cultures might be what we could generally expect Down Under.
Bingo...suddenly... theres going to be another Adolf Hitler (looks like Europe) and a whole new world of the misery that he's going to cause... so much misery and chaos that the arrogance of China is set ablaze and "outward march" she outward marches.

Some good references are Luke chapter 21
Revelation 13:16-18 and 14:9-11 about the antichrist.
Is anyone really prepared for a sudden, sinister change in global politics?
Australias not.
We cling to the USA, yet who knows about her and her ability to protect Australia...or even her heart towards this part of the world?

Poor OZ...its like a dream for most of us...a land of wealth and safety.
Yet to the north they call us South Irian and draw up plans...to the far north they call us New South China and draw up plans.
The bottom line shown in prophecies and visions to the christians of Australia since the 70's is that... we have to do it all ourselves regarding national defence.
An enemy landed and took Australian soil from Australians.

Years ago Gibo, when I was a teenager, in the days when the threat to the Western World was Russia, I was walking over the Harbour Bridge with a friend who said to me when we were looking at Garden Island, "If Russia wants to invade Australia, they could take us over with a fleet of canoes".

I don't think Australia could defend itself against the populations of our Asian neighbours. Someone told me a long time ago, Indonesia considered the North-West of Austalia to be its territory (and this person wasn't a Christian).

I've said it before, but the only authority I will accept on end times is the Bible. Things you say here from what you've read, I will acknowledge as possibilities or even probabilities. I've read all of Barry Smith's books in the 80's and some of the things he said haven't been fulfilled (like 10 countries being in the EEC, this has now been exceeded)Barry Smith wrote very well with the information he had, and I will credit him with being the only preacher I know who approached end times with a sense of humour. Some of Barry Smith claims can't be substantiated and we don't often know where he sourced his infomration from, but nevertheless they made good reading.

I see the Earth's resources becoming scarce as a possible sign of end times, but I will never make claims as to a possible date of Christ's return.

Steel Mann.
I dont know when Christ will Return...but I can sure see it coming. Soon endtimes will be everywhere.
All of the committed christians will be talking about it here, on other sites, in the press, through the letterboxes.
Many chistains are currently not looking at the endtimes much (though many have heard of the rise of mark/microchip on the right hand or forehead economy...Revelation 13:16-18/14:9-11) because its a fearful time for many in the church.

The ten nations of Europe, though currently more than ten could easily fall back to the number of ten nations.
Chaos is going to ensue soon as Russia stirs up more trouble and some present EU nations could easily withdraw from the Union. I expect England to stand alone later on... apart from the European Union.

Gods got His Hand on England...

One thing I can never fathom about this millennial "End Times" claptrap that obsesses the more bizarre godbotherers, is that if all these purported prophecies and visions are indeed portents of the Second Coming of Christ, shouldn't that be a good thing?

I mean, why is Gibo so worried if he thinks that Jesus is about to return - isn't that what fundies want?

Hi CJ, I was wondering exactly the same thing myself.

Given the number of posts on the same theme, I think Gibo owes us an explanation.

>>Many chistains are currently not looking at the endtimes much (though many have heard of the rise of mark/microchip on the right hand or forehead economy...Revelation 13:16-18/14:9-11) because its a fearful time for many in the church.<<

I can understand the misprint of chistains for christians, given the ever-present saliva on the keyboard, but I can't imagine why it is "a fearful time for many in the church"

Although having said that, I am aware that on a general level, an abiding fear of your actual Christian as he goes through life, is that he is not quite good enough to make it through the pearly gates, and into heaven.

My evidence for this is Elgar's "Dream of Gerontius" which made a big impression on me in my youth, as it provides an insight into the mind of a devout person, nearing death.

The libretto comes from Cardinal Newman's 1865 poem, in which the eponymous Gerontius, clearly a very religious man, who has led a virtuous and blameless life. Yet when faced with the inevitability of judgement, he goes to pieces:

"I can no more; for now it comes again,
That sense of ruin, which is worse than pain,
That masterful negation and collapse
Of all that makes me man.
And, crueller still,
A fierce and restless fright begins to fill
The mansion of my soul. And worse, and worse,
Some bodily form of ill
Floats on the wind, with many a loathsome curse
Tainting the hallowed air, and laughs, and flaps
Its hideous wings
And makes me wild with horror and dismay.
O Jesu, help! pray for me"

The full text is here, if anyone is interested.

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/verses/gerontius.html

The idea that a religion could generate such daily fear impressed me greatly.

If that is the fear that Gibo is concerned about, I'm not particularly surprised that his fascination with the "endtimes" does not extend to wild enthusiasm.

The duty of the Christian churches CJMorgan/Pericles is to be watching and waiting for Christ's Second Coming... to be willing to inform others of such.
By observing the "signs of the times", and openning our mouths about those "signs", born again Christians help in the Salvations of others.

My fixation with the invader (he's coming...I have no doubt. Theres been too many visions and prophecies about an enemy coming not to believe it will happen) is the poverty state of Australias defences.

Defence gave up, long ago, and conceeded land to an asian invader.
They simply gave up, under possible future global circumstances, whereby we would lose the US nuclear umbrella...and gave the land to asians.
This is why the old Brisbane line got moved from around Tenterfield NSW down to around Newcastle NSW.
Defence is prepared to give all of that land above Newcastle NSW to an enemy.
An army friend says they wouldnt even have enough ammo to fight a large force anyway. This also points to conceeded land. They wont put in enough weapons and ammunition into a major fight against the pagan nations to the north.
They chickened out in my sight...so I speak against their weaknesses.
Even though God would allow an invader because of the sins of the people...Id still like to see a reasonably fair fight.
Lets stand up for the women and children and do the best we can.