Hmm... quite a few worthy points there.. nothing like a good ol stouche to get the juices going.. ya know ur alive :)

Ok.. STEEL MAN.. you had a point worthy of discussion.

You agree that they should be able to discriminate if they only cater for their 'own' flock... fair point. I disagree on the following grounds.

Secular people are not tagged with any specific.. 'sin' ..they are sinners just like the rest of us. But IF...the local 'swingers' club wanted access.. they have a 'labele.. ie.. "promiscuous and adulterous sexual liasions."
So..by that 'tag' they are a non starter. The fact that CYC camps is open for Corporate, School and Community organizations is in fact evidence of their NON Judgemental outlook. Gays and swingers judge themSELVES by their name.

SPIKEY.. the difference in 'hotels/motels' is that it's pot luck.. you simply don't know... with a camp which has taken in homosexuals you KNOW. But even if nothing had been done, the problem is not the specific acts done at the camp..it is the moral position adopted BOASTFULLY (Gay pride marches) by this group..and the insidious attempts to brain wash children by introducing deviate sexual orientation as 'normal' in various educational/media outlets.

FOXY.. God indeed DOES do the judging... on the final day.. in the mean time, we have responsibilities not to promote or facilitate specific sin by groups labelled by that sin itself.

VERONIKA.. Michael Bachelard the author of that article deliberately mentioned criminal activity which has ZERO relevance to the story, and then said "not saying the Brethren had anything to do with this" HAH!X 100 in your dreams pal.. you (Bachelard) knew EXACTLY what you were doing.. 'pandering to the commercial interests of FAIRFAX!

VERONIKA.. I need to say more about your comments.

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The Brethren's actions demonstrate how far Christianity has strayed from the actual teachings of Christ.
UNQOUTE.

In order for that to be valid.. you have to show 2 things.

1/ That Jesus never condemned immorality.
2/ That Homosexual behavior was not regarded as 'immoral' during Jesus time (and in the history of Israel)

I know that you cannot do this, so I have to ask (while scratching my noggin) 'Where' did she get this idea that Jesus taught that gay sex is ok?

Having studied the book rather thoroughly..I can assure you I know it well enough to back up what I said above.

The Christian faith (even the Liberal versions) is based on the Bible which includes also the epistles of Paul, Peter and others.

PERICLES.. "settlement"? good grief Pericles.. what you don't know mate.
1/ Did Catch the Fire 'settle' ? NO!
2/ Try getting a booking at CYC adventure camp.. it's almost impossible even for US... we tried.. its' too popular booked out annually for years.

As it comes under the Trust..and given that the VCAT thing is spurious.. invalid.. useless and just a cheap publicity stunt... there is no reason at all to settle.. the Law allows religious groups to discrminate and rightly so. The End. on that score.

MonoCarp

<<the difference in 'hotels/motels' is that it's pot luck.. you simply don't know... with a camp which has taken in homosexuals you KNOW. But even if nothing had been done, the problem is not the specific acts done at the camp..it is the moral position adopted BOASTFULLY (Gay pride marches) by this group..and the insidious attempts to brain wash children by introducing deviate sexual orientation as 'normal' in various educational/media outlets.>>

Don't they change the sheets at your Xian camp, David?

So, if I understand you correctly, Polycarp, the one and only reason you disapprove of homosexuals is because of your faith.

Have you ever considered that Jesus (if he existed) might have been wrong about some things?
If you believe that Jesus was never wrong, then you should also advocate that parents should kill their disobedient children and bosses should beat their 'servants', because isn't that what Jesus said, too?

Come on, think about it. Jesus was quite progressive for his time. If Jesus would live here and now his personality wouldn't have changed from a kind progressive to a miserable, borish, conservative wowser, who would refuse accommodation to a group of homosexuals.

He'd probably support same-sex marriage and vote for the Greens.

Jesus even chose not to write his teachings down. Perhaps Jesus never WANTED his words to be written down because he knew that written down words would freeze people into a time that is not theirs and prevent them from moving along with the zeitgeist.

That's a very interesting angle, Celivia. In fact, it's possible that Jesus was gay - I mean, he is reputed to have spent a lot of time with a small group of men, and his closest female friend was a prostitute. Lots of working girls are also 'fag hags', I hear.

In fact, it's far more likely that Jesus was gay than far-fetched stuff like walking on water, rising from the dead etc.

As his mum said, "He's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy".

Possibly a very naughty boy.

CJ,
Yep, quite possible that Jesus was gay. Anything is more likely than the so-called 'miracles'.

Although, the turning of water into wine sounds very much like Jesus, doesn't it? He obviously liked a good party and liked people to have fun.

And what's more fun than having sex with a fag if you're a fag?
(Especially at a nice holiday camp.)
It beats having to pretend that you're heterosexual when you're not.
It beats having to live a lie.

Talk about beating- do you reckon that Jesus could've been into bdsm?
Perhaps he meant his advice to 'beat your disobedient servant' in a good way.