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POlycarp

I would of thought by now that you would realize that only the secularist close minded dogmas are acceptable to many of the regulars on OLO. This is clearly demonstrated with the laughable gw crap, the evolution fantasy and the support of child porn as art. When you are entrapped in sin your eyes are closed to the truth. The sad part is that these people really do believe they are intelligent. They can even tell you that killing the unborn is not murder with a straight face. They want to preach their socialist gospel and yet can't hold a family together, push their lack of morality on others to cover their own guilt and shame and then make fun of the only One who can take their shame away. Paul's letter to Timothy describing men as 'being wise in their own eyes' describes it perfectly.

Posted by runner, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 6:08:57 PM

Indeed Runner :) points taken.

SPIKEY one.. you said:

And I don't like having the Bible shoved down my throat by you who would lock a man up for life because you don't like his ideas.

Now.. you also speak about shallowness and hypocrisy... (pinch)

Here is the problem. My Biblical quotes are often in response to OTHERs ..not just u. Sometimes I use them to point out aspects of the Christian faith which are very relevant to the discussion.

Romans 13 is VERY relevant..because it shows that the "State" is not part of 'The Church'..... it also provides some guidelines for State behavior.

You gulag me for simply 'disliking ideas' hmmm now lets examinator this statement.

Hitler had quaint "ideas" about Jews..and we know where those ideas took a few million Jews.

Qatada holds this 'idea'

“The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” (Sahih Muslim book 41, no. 6985);

Do .....you... by any chance recognize just a tinnnny resemblance between the 2 'ideas' ? :) of COURSE you do if you had a shred of honesty in you (frowny aggresive look on my face).

Contrast this with "For God so LOVED the world....." John 3:16

Mate.. I'd ram that down your throat :) and thump it right home with a large industrial strength broom handle if I thought doing so would make a difference..but.. as the rest of John 3:16 says "that whoever BELIEVES....in him" and I hardly think you choking on a large broom handle would be condusive to 'belief' :)

Examinator.. I'd love to chat with you one day :) too much to tackle here in 350 words.. specially when Spikey needs sooooo much remedial therapy :) (from my humble self of course)

PS.. USC Muslim site have REMOVED that hadith from their online english version!

Posted by Polycarp, Thursday, 28 August 2008 10:12:02 AM

National Security.... DIVERSITY....

here is the 'end game' of that.. when beliefs and background and history are not seriously taken into account

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=34q9omSAR4w&feature=related

See the 'kindly mexican man'(the one being led off by police).. demonstrating his affection for the white Americans.....

Notice the words the Mexican women are mouthing over and over..
around 2:43

EXAMINATOR.. "the speck and beam" parable is not....about legitimate criticism of hateful ideas or threats to national security mate.

I'm criticizing real world threats.. which under Romans 13 it is the responsibility of the state to..DETER!
So..I'm speaking very very legitimately and Biblically.

Also..the percentage of Muslims at the 'ratbag' literalist Jihadist end.. is more like 20% with only 4% who are willing to SELF EXLODE.. but as Harris Rafiq a UK government advisor points out.. the time for the other 15% to go from 'empathising' to ACTION can be as little as 1.5 weeks with the appropriate 'mind food' provided by the 4% .. who show them images of dismembered Arab children etc etc etc.

Now.. DETAILS.. details.. details.. as I'm always telling my son! :)

The ratbag Christians ? 3% ? huh? silly boy.. in America alone that would amoung to many millions.. and do you see evidence of this?
Also..the 'ratbag' element can be brought INTO line by appropriate Biblical counselling.. which encourages them to PEACEFUL participation on society.. UNlike Islam which specifically says "FIGHT them"... (9.29)

*shake shake shake*.. aah.. do you see it now ? :)

Posted by Polycarp, Thursday, 28 August 2008 10:22:18 AM

You're all for nationalism as opposed to the universalisms of the UN, but somehow the American Christian population comes into it? If you're going to cite the beliefs and values of other countries, even if you limit that to Western nations, you've drifted away from nationalism and into some version of at least partial globalism (selective globalism?), which is where the UN comes in.

If you're worried about Australia you have to think about Australian circumstances. Less than a quarter of Australians are actually practicing Christians - check the Australian Election Survey. Check the Lowy Institute's national surveys and you'll find Australians have lost interest in the Muslim debbil and are more worried about America than Muslim Indonesia, which is right next door. To the extent that we live in a democracy, these things count for something.

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Posted by john e. carey, Thursday, 28 August 2008 10:52:05 AM

Polycarp my worried warrier,
Statistically 96% of people’s opinions are distributed within the 2 standard deviations either side of the mean. If we assume that the mean is a balanced approach to non Muslims that leaves 2% at either extreme end.
Actual numbers of Muslims is a lot of people BUT with each qualification you are reducing that number.
Qualifications like:
• Are they really organized enough?
• Do they have the opportunity?
• Do they have the wherefor all to be in a position to really do anything to warrant the Christo-xenophobic paranoia?
• Do they have sufficient psychosis to actually blow themselves up?
• Are they down trodden without hope enough?
• Are they stupid enough to believe they will get away with it without bringing shame etc to their families?
Keep in mind most local young hot head Muslims don’t have the same motivation here as say in those Ramalla. (Multi virgins don’t have the same emotional currency here).

Acts of violence? Go stand in Smith St Collingwood on Saturday Night after Collingwood has lost a game and shout “Collingwood are a bunch of Fairies.”
As a gang of local thugs beat you to a pulp ask them how many Muslims are there amongst them.
My point is you’re more at statistical risk attacked by non Muslim nutters than being blown up by an Islamic one. Car Accidents, Smoking kill or maime more. Let’s ban cars and tobacco. Ignore booze ‘cos I like that.

I would suggest that base on reasonable thinking you are looking at as a real threat here is something like 2% of the Muslim’s in Australia which is less than 2% of population divided by the number in your state, then 2% of them then 2% of those who fit the above criteria. Ultimately get a POTENTIAL 20 people approx Australia wide. And 6 live down the road from me, I’ve got my eye on them. I’m sure you, runner and the like can keep an eye on the rest ;-)

Posted by examinator, Saturday, 30 August 2008 5:49:43 PM

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