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Human Rights and National Security

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Well.. we've had this discussion before, but recent events make it very relevant again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe3gnF0L1Yk&feature=related

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3896879.ece

The application of 'Human Rights' law is here shown for the insanity it is.. where, due to the fact that Jordan has the 'death penalty' a man who has an incitement to and actual terrorism track record and is described as 'Osama bin Ladin's right hand man in Europe'.. is now granted bail from prison.. because it is 'inhuman' to keep him there indefinitely when there is no prospect of deportation...which in turn is based on the idea that no person can be deported to a country which has the death penalty... or perhaps it is just where the person concerned has been sentenced to death.

Now.. Taxpayers will fund this mans 'lifestyle'?

QUESTION. Should we not then revisit our signatory status on the UN convention on Human Rights and add a proviso that our national security must always be the over-riding consideration?
Yes, why or No.. why not?
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 25 August 2008 10:00:18 AM
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Baby. Bathwater.
Posted by chainsmoker, Monday, 25 August 2008 10:41:37 AM
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Same ole' agenda same ole' tactics.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 25 August 2008 11:41:55 AM
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<< Same ole' agenda same ole' tactics. >>

Same ol' belief that muslims are made of Semtex. Yep, let the bloke out on bail, under constant surveillance, separated from his organisation, and just watch him go and blow up a train.
Posted by Sancho, Monday, 25 August 2008 12:05:27 PM
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Well at least the US prosecuted that taxi driver. Man that guy was the lowest of the low. Driving people around for a living. It's the responsibility of all Taxi Drivers to vet their passengers and ensiure they're not up to any terrorist activity.

Then there's the people who lend their phones to other people... the list goes on.
Posted by Usual Suspect, Monday, 25 August 2008 12:17:22 PM
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The 'same old' here.. is the inherrent problem of allegedly respecting 'human rights' when the rights of others are at stake.

I begin to wonder just how misguided the leftist head/mind/brain(?) is... Sancho.. speaking about 'baby & bathwater'... you just did exactly that, by avoiding the serious problem of a man who is known to be close to Bin Ladin, and claiming that to focus on his new life at taxpayers expence somehow.. means that all Muslims are made of Semtex.

Now.. mate.. honestly, do you wish to have any credibility here?

How do you draw that conclusion? Oh.. don't bother. I know the answer.. the reasoning goes 'If you attack any specific person, you are
a) Hating all of them and
b) regard all of them as exactly like the single individual you drew attention to.

Not only is that lousy reasoning.. I have to say it's outright bigotry.

The facts speak for themselves... the lamentably inadequate post modern/socialists are good on the history of the West and how it trod down the poor masses of wherever, but when it comes to the history of those who 'would if they could'.. aaah.. you know very little, and then.. have pretty much zero idea about how to understand such movements, because you probably were told how to think at
WannabeSocialst school.. rather than actually sussing out information in a systematic way, you sit in Druids house drooling at the feet of some visiting 'revolutionary' from Venezuela or Cuba just drinking it all in with the starry glazed eyes of mindless zombies.

Then, being programmed.. you trot out to the next "Peace" march or "Anti Racism" rally..and act so sincere.....full of passion.. zeal.. but all coming from the programming..not reason.

"Human Rights" are not from God..they are from man.. in the dubious form we have them. True Human Rights.. those granted by the Almighty, do not include the 'right' to avoid just punishment for crimes proven even when it involved the death penalty. Jordans verdict is entirely Biblical for 'The Emperoror'....Romans 13:1-5
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 25 August 2008 1:06:49 PM
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