CJ, if Hasbeen is correct that 31072 American scientists have signed the petition denying any real catastrophic warming, how many number the 'most real climate scientists' that you mention.

Don't forget the ice-core data. Just because many scientists take their data from there doesn't earn them your label of 'denialists'. At least you haven't called them 'fruitloops' or boofheads'...yet.

The sky is not falling.

Of course the denialists are right.

There is no global warming.

There never has been.

The ice-caps are not melting.
Pacific Islands are not sinking.
Rivers are not drying up.
The deserts are not expanding.
The Seasons are not changing.
Animal species are not disappearing.

And the earth is flat.

Kulu offers Arjay some "facts" being "1 Human actions ARE the cause of the accelerated rate of global warming".

Well I wonder if Kulu knows the difference between a fact and an assertion, but wow, I'm convinced. After all Kulu used CAPITALS and that is really convincing - I mean no one would shout it if it wasn't true, right?

And CJ tells us that the Oregon petition is a hoax because it was industry sponsored. I guess the only good partitions are those sponsored by green groups who clearly are completely impartial in this issue, right? OK so the partition was signed by over 9000 Phds but we all know these people are pretty dumb really and could easily be tricked into signing something that was the complete opposite of what they really think - right?

And Foxy tells us that since the world isn't flat, this proves that global warming is occurring. That's logical, right?

The world hasn't warmed for a decade (or 6 years, depending on your level of belief in the terrestrial measurements) and even some of the warmoholics are conceding it may not warm for another decade. (Don't even mention those that say it could be another 30 yrs). The true believers are therefore running scared and desperately trying to prop up a crumbling edifice. But the really smart ones are already starting to develop their excuses.

CJ, that's a good link ...

In addition to the bulk mailing, OISM's website enables people to add their names to the petition over the internet.

Only a few dozen of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists.

The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all - some people were added to the list that were long gone dead!

I see also that Drs Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce are on the list, together with Dr Geraldine (Spice Girl) Halliwell (her specialised field of scientific endeavour being biology.

The list is loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.

And people who rant on about this so-called petition want to be treated seriously? Hmmmmm, I don't think so.

I have just found my name on the list!?

There is no doubt just from anecdotal evidence that the planet is experiencing cooler temps.In Sydney,we have just had a very cold winter,colder than our last.People around the planet have experienced likewise.When the temps were hot and we had catagory 5 class cyclones,the AGW enthusiasts told us that this is the future and things would only get worse.

Now we have a whole lot of conflicting scientific data,and now are told that AGW has taken a rest even with CO2 increasing by 5% in the last 6yrs!

For every molecule of CO2 there are 2500 molecules of gases that make up the rest of our atmosphere.No one has yet demonstrated through experiments or otherwise,how CO2 is 2500 times more powerful a green house gas than all the others combined.

The ice core data has shown that cause and effect happens in reverse.Heating causes the CO2 to be released from the oceans.

$50 billion has been given to the scientific community since 1990,there is a lot of self interest here and they can easily justify their precausionary measures of limiting CO2 emitions,by simply evolving to a general anti-pollution philosophy.Kevin Rudd has hedged his bets and changed his ad campaign from GW to Climate Change to cover both heating or cooling.

I consider myself to be a pretty good judge of character,both Bob Carter and David Evans seem to be genuine in their persuit of truth.David Evans on youtube has stated that he was 90% certain in 2000 that CO2 was the culprit but now is only 20% certain.

What we in Australia should do is to forget about carbon taxes for the next 5 yrs and see what the new scientific data reveals.If we act now and Kevin,Garnaut,Gore is right,nothing will change globally since the big players will take decades to react,and if the AGW theory is wrong,we will have committed economic/social suicide for no good reason.