Dream on.. "imagine".....

Steven pointed out the fundamental and fatal flaw in his own dream.

How can you bring criminals like Hu Jin Tao to justice? who is going to do it? Well of course..no one.

All "Justice" depends on an enforcement element.. i.e. force.. i.e. a greater force than the force of the criminal.

But China would not recognize any
law which negatively effects it... nor
would the USA or Russia oh wait.. NO country
except the little meaningless ants like
Australia where some mentally challenged
people seem to think that out there somewhere
is some kind of 'magical' force which will
suddenly appear and sort out all these meanies.

Well.. that will surely happen but the kind of
person Steven is seeking would need to be of 'Messianic'
dimensions.. and OH WAIT.. just such an event is promised
...but aaah..that would require some 'faith'....

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory,
and all the angels with him, he will sit
on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All
the nations will be gathered before him,
and he will separate the people one from
another as a shepherd separates the sheep
from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on
his right and the goats on his left.

Sorry to say it Steven, but apart from this kind of thing
there is no power on earth which will take your dream from the
"Imagine" level to the reality one.

stevenlmeyer

"BRING THE WAR CRIMINALS TO JUSTICE"
You have right BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN WAR CRIMINALS?
We can not leave free the big war criminals and bring to justice the little one.

If we want to be credible then we must bring all war criminals to justice. We can not accept immune to American war criminals.

It is unacceptable Bush to press to bring the war criminals to justice, when he does not recognize and respect the International Criminal Court.

If we want to bring the war criminals to justice we must accept, recognize, support and promote the international criminal justice system.
AMERICANS DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR SUPPORT IT! THEY PLAY DIRTY GAMES WITH IT!

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Whenever the subject of aparthied/South Africa/Mandela comes up on any forum there's always at least one person who writes anti resistance/pro-white rhetoric. So be it. At this late stage in history, with all the facts known, there's still a tiny minority of pro-apartheid people the world over, who believe "white is right" and will demonise the resistance, whilst not criticising the brutal South African regime of the times. Neither side were "angels".......... the same applies to the anti-Nazi fighters in World war 11. "Angels" don't win battles......I'm glad the Americans were not "angels" in the war (they committed many war crimes), but they stopped the Nazis and the Japanese. The debate on apartheid was over a very long time ago. Some people live in denial and still defend the brutal regime, then moralise about Mandela from their white Ivory Towers. So be it.

Philips.. a very well rounded RACIST post there I might say.

So... you are anti 'white' people?

I guess you could have been anti 'any' people who do mean things, but no, you had to add your racist slur there 'white'...as if white people have some kind of mortgage on evil or cruelty ?

I guess when ur a racist though.. you don't see these things.. nope.. you just see skin color and choose the color you most dislike to declare them sub human and elevate yourself or the color you choose to be the 'supermen/master-race'

Sin..and evil..and cruelty and lust for power are not skin color related.

Fortunately for all of us, no matter what our skin color.. there is One who can redeem us from all that..and make us into new people.
His name is Jesus..the Messiah.

Cripes. So now we have a staunch defender of the vile South African apartheid regime (no 'war criminals' there of course - remember Steve Biko?), for whom Boazycrap comes out of self-imposed exile in order to somehow claim that it was the BLACK South Africans and their supporters who were racist, culminating in some classic Boazy godbothering.

At least Steven's silly thread has brought some real racists out from under their rocks, and is useful for that reason.

CJ Morgan,

In case that last rant was directed against me.

You may consider me a "staunch defender of the vile South African apartheid regime." Judging by some of the actions taken against me by that self same regime they seem not to have shared your point of view.

As long as I can remember I have considered Apartheid a crime against humanity. I am interested to know what I have written that leads you to believe otherwise.

The reality on the ground in South Africa was sometimes contradictory.

One reality was the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who crossed the border into Apartheid South Africa from the rest of Africa every year. Many of them came from neighbouring Zimbabwe but some came from as far afield as Tanzania. Many people considered living in Apartheid South Africa preferable to living in their "free" countries.

Latterly the world has started focusing on some of Africa's really awful leaders such as Sudan's Omar al-Bashir and Zimbabwe's Mugabe.

But Mugabe did not go insane overnight. He was a mad tyrant from the start. Between 1982 and 1985 Mugabe's North Korean trained fifth brigade killed 20,000 civilians in Matabeleland. Mugabe called it the "Gukurahundi" (Google it)

I wonder why that did not provoke an outcry at the time.

Do you have any ideas on that CJ Morgan?

Omar al-Bashir has been president of Sudan since 1993.He has been responsible for the deaths of over a million people. He makes even Mugabe look like a pussycat.

In Burundi there were Hutu – Tutsi clashes resulting in tens of thousands of deaths in the 1960s and 1970s. Nobody took any notice of them.

Here's the thing CJ Morgan. The Apartheid regime in South African was vile. You are right. And contrary to what you allege I do not defend it.

But you know what is really sad?

By African standards they were not exceptionally bad.

That is the real tragedy of Africa. One which the world is FINALLY coming to grips with.