Wikipedia:

Kinana ibn al-Rabi' also Kinana bin al-Rabi, Kinana ibn al-Rabi'a, Kinana ibn al-Rabi ibn Abu al-Huqayq)

was a Jewish leader of seventh-century Arabia and an opponent of Muhammad; son of the poet al-Rabi ibn Abu al-Huqayq. Al-Rabi was tortured and killed for allegedly hiding the tribe's treasure which was never found.

After Kinana's death, Muhammad took his wife Safiyyah bint Huyayy, the daughter of Huyayy ibn Akhtab, a chief of the Banu al-Nadir who had was also killed in or following the Battle of Khaybar.[1]

(Additional non wiki note: Saffiya's father was also killed previously by Mohammad)

AUTHENTICITY? (from Wiki)

The story of al-Rabi narrated by Ibn Hisham has been taken from Ibn Ishaq. Ibn Ishaq, however, doesn't specify any source for this story. According to Nomani, tradionists have stated that Ibn Ishaq probably borrowed this story from the contemporary descendents of al-Rabi's tribe.
Nomani also casts doubt on the story on the basis of its inconsistency with Muhammad's other actions. He doubts Muhammad would have tortured al-Rabi, as he forgave the Jewess Rayhana bint Amr ibn Khunafa after the she tried to poison him.[6]

COMMENT: On the last point by Nomani about 'character consistency' it might be argued that it was entirely consistent based on Mohammads mass execution (Srebriniza style) of the Banu Qurayza tribe.

Readers can make up their own minds.... let the evidence speak.

CJ Morgan,

My statement about not being biased was in the context of my hope that the ICC will seek to indict those against whom there is material evidence of crimes against humanity WHOEVER THEY MAY BE. That specifically includes Israelis as my second post makes clear.

Would you wish the ICC system to engage in selective prosecutions CJ Morgan?

I have made no secret of my revulsion at contemporary Islam.

Does that mean I could not deal IMPARTIALLY with Muslims as individuals?

I believe I could. However, as a practical matter, were I a judge, I would recuse myself in any cases involving Muslims. Justice must be SEEN to be done.

I hope that the judges and officials of the ICC have the integrity to recognise when they should recuse themselves from dealing with certain cases.

Note that this is not about my alleged prejudices. It is about the operation of the ICC.

In the end it is not about whether Steven Meyer or CJ Morgan is "biased." It is about whether the ICC as a system will operate with IMPARTIALITY.

Given my revulsion for contemporary Islam and your apparent feelings about Zionism I guess it is a good thing that neither of us are judges or officials at the ICC.

I confess my misgivings about the ICC go all the way back to Nuremberg. The spectacle of Stalin's judges sitting in judgement on Nazi thugs gives new meaning to the old adage about the pot calling the kettle black.

My misgivings have not been assuaged by the antics of the UN Human Rights Council in its various manifestations. The UNHCR somehow found that Israel, and Israel alone, was blameworthy enough to merit being mentioned by name. This august body includes in its current membership those bastions of democracy and judicial probity:

---China

--Cuba

--Pakistan

--Russia

--Saudi Arabia(!)

All this being said I am encouraged by Ocampo's decision to seek an arrest warrant for Sudan's Omar al-Bashir. It's an excellent start.

Sorry, stevenlmeyer, I missed the gap seperating your message from that of StG. So I'll have to aim the same comment to him/her.

As for misinterpreting Foxy's post, http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2017#41692,
what did you read from it?

Mandela was still responsible for much of the ANC terrorism while in prison. He still controlled the ANC through his wife and his henchmen.

I still feel that the term 'anti-Semite' is misleading.

Mandela at the time was in battle against a dictatorial, brutal regime who's ethnic cleansing, inhumanity , denial of basic rights, torture and murder was experienced on a daily basis by the non-white majority.

The ill-equipped, ill-manned and ill-prepared blacks were basically at war, with what tiny resources they had. Trying to "pretend" that Mandela was a criminal shows a breathtaking bias and no understanding of the degrading inhumanity forced upon the black majority.

Samsung,

Unlike Austin Powerless I doubt that Mandela or the rest of the ANC leadership exercised any control over the violence that pervaded South Africa's townships in the last decade of Apartheid. Frankly, I doubt they had the CAPACITY to exercise any control. It was a violent situation that spun into anarchy.

Mostly the perpetrators were criminal gangs.

To give you a small flavour of the times, a slogan of that period was "No education before liberation."

Yes, really.

How there can be real liberation without education is another matter.

To give effect to this slogan Black students who wanted to write their "matriculation" exams were often murdered.

Note, these were not "white oppressors" here. These were 18 year old Black kids who wanted to further their education.

This is not something I read in the newspapers Samsung. I write from personal experience. The authorities organised "safe" venues for those wishing to take the matriculation exams. Our own house was used as a "safe house" for Black students during "matric season." Some students stayed there so that they could not be set upon en route to the exam venues.

Those who supported the "no education before liberation" doctrine were often people whose own children attended exclusive – and safe – private schools.

On the whole the "no education before liberation" policy succeeded. The result is that many South Africans today are not merely unemployed, they are unemployable.

Samsung, we would all like our heroes to be "Persil pure" and our villains to be Hitlerian in their evilness. Reality, however, is usually painted in shades of grey. This is something that self-righteous ideologues, like CJ Morgan, are unable to grasp.

samsung, where did you get the 'ethnic cleansing' accusation from?

http://www.jrnyquist.com/may14/out_of_africa.htm would appear to give an opposite view. This, coupled with the people of starving Zimbabwe (the bread-basket of Africa while under White rule) wishing that the Whites would return and bring back the prosperity they used to enjoy. I had an uncle lived for many years in Jo'burg who had Black servants who got on well with him. This was typical of the majority of South Africans.
To 'pretend' that other than a minority of Blacks (under Communist encouragement) were at war is plainly fooling yourself.

stevenlmeyer, while Mandela was in jail and not present for many of the atrocities, he was the catalyst and had a lot of say in how the ANC was run (as long as he toed the line with his Communist masters). What's worse is that he is treated as a virtual saint instead of being strung up.
As you wrote, the victims were mostly innocent young Black men who only wanted to further their education (in the White-provided education system). It takes a 'breathtaking bias' to equate those educational opportunities with a 'dictatorial, brutal regime '.
Also, you forgot to tell me what you read from Foxy's post that I didn't.