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War crimes in Gaza and the West Bank

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Yes they do Steven.

ALL war criminals deserve prosecution.
Posted by JW, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:19:39 PM
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stevenlmeyer, what's with the, 'Enter the anti-semites in 3.....2.....1...'

Don't you know that Palestinians are also Semites, as are Egyptians and many Middle Eastern people.

Also, you should never assume that anyone who dares crticise Israeli foreign policy is an anti-Semite. I was against the invasion of Iraq and made my views known, but I am not anti-American.

And, as Foxy points out, most documented war crimes from that area are Israeli crimes.

Another interesting point is the call for arresting heads of states responsible for war crimes. Can we add Mugabe to that list? Oh, and don't forget Mandela for the murders committed by him and his evil wife via the 'necklace'.
Posted by Austin Powerless, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 3:35:53 PM
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Dear Steven,

I'm not going to hold my breath regarding
President Omar-al-Bashir. I feel that he'll
never be brought to face trial at the ICC.

Still, prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo's
decision to seek a warrant for Bashir's
arrest at least exposes and reverses the world's
weakness in confronting Darfur's genocide.

I'm concerned about further blood-baths ...
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 3:55:20 PM
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Add the USA and Britain to the list. Perhaps even Australia for at the minimum aiding and abetting. Thankyou for your non-bias ;)
Posted by Steel, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 4:04:51 PM
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JW,

So we agree.

Austin Powerless

(1) It was StG, not me, who made the comment about "enter the antisemites."

(2) Regardless of its etymology the modern meaning of the term "antisemite" is one who hates Jews. However I agree that the term is confusing and I generally use the phrase "Jew hater."

(3) I think you have misinterpreted Foxy's post but I'll let her speak for herself.

(4) Criticism of Israeli actions is not Jew hatred. Total focus on Israel's alleged misdeeds while ignoring the misdeeds of her neighbours and the misdeeds of others may be an indication of Jew hatred.

(5) I'll gladly add Mugabe to the list.

(6) Mandela was in prison at the time of the necklacing. In terms of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission anyone who confessed in full to his or her misdeeds was granted immunity. I do not know how many of those who perpetrated necklacing took up the offer.

A more serious allegation against Mandela is that he did not address the issue of AIDS while in power. That probably resulted in more deaths than the previous 50 years of Apartheid. I am note sure that could be called a crime against humanity under the ICC mandate.

Steel

I am not biased. I am happy to see serious allegations of crimes against humanity come before the the ICC no matter who the perpetrators.

I am worried that the ICC could be selective in those it chooses to pursue. But it's early days yet.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 8:05:40 PM
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stevenlzionist: << Total focus on Israel's alleged misdeeds while ignoring the misdeeds of her neighbours and the misdeeds of others may be an indication of Jew hatred. >>

I've just re-read Steven's intitial post, and it seems to me that a reasonable reader could form a conclusion from it that would justify this paraphrase of his later statement:

"Total focus on alleged misdeeds of some Palestinian organisations while ignoring the misdeeds of their occupiers and the misdeeds of others may be an indication of hatred of Palestinians ."

Unless Steven was trying to be provocative by exemplifying exactly that which he purports to oppose, it seems that he is either blind to his own prejudice, or otherwise completely disingenuous with respect to his professed lack of bias in bringing war criminals to account.

<< I am not biased >>

Yeah right. Who else thinks that Steven isn't biased against Palestinians, and indeed against Muslims generally?
Posted by CJ Morgan, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 8:35:48 PM
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