I hear that the Bali bombers may be executed in the next few days. While I have little sympathy with them, is it right for Australian's to rejoice over their deaths? Some Australians are opposed to the them being executed simply because Australia opposes the death penalty. Others feel that this is a matter for Indonesia to decide as the crime was committed by Indonesians in Indonesia.

Dear Steel Mann,

Of course it would not be right for Australia
to rejoice over the execution of the Bali
Bombers.

The taking of a human life is not something
to rejoice over.

But, I don't live in Indonesia, and this is a
system of justice that has one set of rules for the locals,
another for foreigners.
Only they can make the decision as to what will
deter future murderous actions amongst their
own fundamentalist extremists.

The Bali Bombers were supposedly going to be executed
several years ago. They keep appealing the decision.
And the media is told it will happen "soon."

Whether it does or not, is up to their courts to
decide.

I feel sorry for the families of the 202
victims who perished as a result of these bombers
in that Bali nightclub in 2002.

Taking other lives will not bring back their
relatives. Would it deter others from commiting
similar crimes?

Who knows?

Ain't gonna throw a party for it, but you'll struggle to find someone who'll miss them.

Anyone who has read the recent thread about Schapelle Corby will know my view but I will say it anyway -

Good riddance, shame it has taken this long to meander through the process.

"It is appointed unto men but to die once, then the judgment"...Hebrews 9:27 (no reincarnation).
In this case of the bombers it would be the pits of hell (see Mary K.Baxter-journey to Hell) until the Great White Throne Judgment, over 1,000 years away.
Id rather see them with life in prison.
Many people come to know Jesus as Lord and Saviour in prison and are set free from the Final Judgment...even mass murderers.
Gods a great love for all.

Yet in the Afghanistan war we can apparently murder as many civilians as we want, and continue to 'laud' the war (at least in our government).
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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/27/2810/
Published on Friday, July 27, 2007

"KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Dozens of civilians, including women and children, have been killed in two foreign air strikes in southern Afghanistan, residents and a local member of parliament said on Friday.

One of the raids by NATO hit houses in the Girishk district of Helmand province on Thursday evening, killing up to 50 civilians, a group of some 20 residents reported to journalists in Kandahar, the main city in the south. "

11 July 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7501538.stm
"US 'killed 47 Afghan civilians'
Medical staff help a boy injured in Sunday's attack
Medical staff help a boy injured in Sunday's attack

A US air strike in eastern Afghanistan on Sunday killed 47 civilians, 39 of them women and children, an Afghan government investigating team says."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1636551,00.html

"Government officials say that more than 90 civilians died this week as a result of NATO and US operations, part of the 230 that a consortium of aid agencies, including CARE, Save the Children and Mercy Corps, estimate have died since the beginning of the year due to ill-planned military operations."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/30/AR2007063000537_pf.html
"ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, June 30 -- Just a week after Afghan President Hamid Karzai chastised international forces for being "careless," Afghan officials reported Saturday that possibly 100 or more civilians had been killed in a NATO and U.S.-led assault."

AMROZI.. with a leering sneer on his face once said out loud..

"Jews.. remember Kaybar"

If he does have his intended end as reported..I'm sure some Australians will be saying

"Amrozi.. remember Bali"

Like most Australians, I have little sympathy for these convicted terrorists. However, I think that executing them will make them martyrs in the eyes of their deluded supporters and sympathisers. To them, the bombers are war heroes and sticking them in front of a firing squad for their crimes only reinforces that.

It would be better for them to serve out life sentences in some Indonesian rat-hole prison - however, I'm not confident that this would be sufficient punishment, given the special treatment they've apparently received thus far from their jailers.

Boazycarp: << "Amrozi.. remember Bali" >>

"Polycrap... remember Boazy".

"...I think that executing them will make them martyrs in the eyes of their deluded supporters and sympathisers."

Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 18 July 2008 8:27:38 AM

Probably, but really, the people who idolise those sort of idiots will find something to 'celebrate their greatness' over no matter whether you 'vent' them or not. If they rot in prison for ever they'll become a 'religious' leader over time (I bet ya), and I think that's far more dangerous than the risk of a lesser amount of nutters with his 'official martyr picture' on the wall.

I don't support the death penalty but like I said earlier, I won't miss them.

Watching the news last night -
I've now changed my mind about
those three.

Shoot the S.O.B'S!

Excuse my language.

They're insane.

No remorse whatsoever.

I listened to the parents and relatives
of the victims.
If this will give them closure, and peace,
I'm for the firing squad.

And, these cowards proclaim they're
martyrs - and they don't regret anything,
but it seems that they're willing to kill
for their "cause," but not so willing to
die for it.

They've been stalling for six years.
And even now - more stalling.
Originally the news reports said -
"To die "soon." This changed to "In a few days."
Now, it's "In a month..."

Next week it'll be "In six months."
And so on...

Foxy, the bombers and their supporters gain publicity and cause polarisation of the Western community by delaying. Once they've been executed that's all over, so of course they'll delay if they can. I don't happen to think they should be executed at all, but should be allowed to fester in jail. The death sentence is purely a revenge killing and when anyone but a State does that, we call them a criminal...

"A US air strike in eastern Afghanistan on Sunday killed 47 civilians, 39 of them women and children, an Afghan government investigating team says."

Oops? Certainly no death penalty.

"One of the raids by NATO hit houses in the Girishk district of Helmand province on Thursday evening, killing up to 50 civilians, a group of some 20 residents reported to journalists in Kandahar, the main city in the south. "

Just add them to the mass graves. No crimes here. Kill as many as we need.

Dear Antiseptic and Steel,

You're both right.

I'm letting my emotions
cloud my judgement.

So as long as we're in a conflict where civilians have been killed it's ok intentionally mass murder OUR civilians?...

StG, what are you trying to say?

Ok, the bali bombers finally get the death sentence for causing the death of so many, Australian bureaucrats who drive many Australians to commit suicide get promoted & end up with huge superannuation payouts. Yeah, that's acceptable.

Steel only reads the 'newspaper', s/he doesn't read other reports related to the war and tactics taken by the 'Taliban'. No excuses for the yanks, I've read HEAPS of stuff about their lack of restraint but people like Steel are transparent in their lack 'education' on the subject of the conflict in Afghanistan by the arguments they lay down.

It's getting boring reading their rubbish.

We should remember steel seems to side with some strange bedfellows.
If the quoted deaths happened, and a big if exists lies are currency there they did not come about by being deliberately targeted murders.
The Bali deaths are planed murders.
We however in Australia do not as a nation support death penalty's.
I would be in trouble here but while my heart says serves them right I am reminded we soon must ask this country not to kill our idiot children who are on death row via greed and drugs.
So I think a life in a hell hole is justice not death in this case.

I struggle to see where the figures come from. Any stuff I've read about where bombs are being dropped there hasn't been mention of the Red Cross or reporters standing there watching. So where do the figures come from?. The yanks aren't gonna talk up the numbers about how many civilians they killed, but how reliable are the Taliban and the civilians themselves?. The civilians side with whoever it suits them in regards to their safety but always suspicious of the the Allies, and understandably so. The reports basically say 'Afghan officials state' the numbers...

Afghan Officials?...which ones, the same ones the Allies are sick of bowing to their whims for the sake of keeping them onside?...

It happens no doubt, but be aware that even the newspapers aren't always correct. Big shock. They'll print it as truth if someone says it.

Steel, blinded by his/her/its devotion to an outdated philosophy, can't see the difference between deliberately murdering hundreds of innocent people, and the unintentional deaths of civilians who are being used as human shields by the islamo-facists.

I despair for Col Rouge who can't see the difference between someone who sells marijuana to consenting adults and a person/persons who set out to inflict maximum carnage upon an unwitting public. Col if you honestly can't see a difference between these two acts then there is something seriously wrong with you.

I will rejoice when the bali bombers are shot. This nonsense that they will become martyrs is just that, nonsense. They are already lionised and every day they continue to breathe they give other militants hope. Killing them will put an end to the suffering of the families of the bali victims who have to endure the smirking of Amrozi and his mates and the soft treatment they receive.

There simply is no case to be made that killing them would strengthen the hand of militants. The people who spout this nonsense clearly don't understand that the Islamists have the ultimate motivation, a belief that GOD has ordained their mission. Mere revenge for the mistreatment of a fellow traveler is way down on the list of motivating factors.

Besides, anyone who seriously thinks they would ROT in jail has had a brain bypass. They would be in 3 star accommodation until such times as the Indonesians could find a way to let them out. I say kill them now while its still possible to get any justice from this situation . Let them know that if they want to die for their cause we will accommodate them to the best of our abilities.

I can not fathom those peoples' thinking who object to the death penalty. Who says it's wrong to do away with bad human beings. Who says we have to tolerate heinous crimes ?Thou shalt not kill ? I always wonder if that is the right interpretation from the old scriptures or whatever they're called. I think it possible that it should be "not murder" rather than "not kill". One hell of a difference there.

yeah human rights...

http://www.myspace.com/humanrightsact_tv

a human rights act for australia!

PaulL I note your remark about *a brain bypass* and in the thread above a comment that some one is a dolt.
I am reminded that to both under value your opponent and over value your own views is not proof you are right.
For some of us personal insults are a sign of a weak argument.

Paul L.: "the Islamists have the ultimate motivation, a belief that GOD has ordained their mission."

So they're just like the Zionists, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Belly: "a comment that some one is a dolt."

I made that comment because the comment by the person to whom I was responding was so completely bereft of any form of rationality. It wasn't a "personal insult", but was directed at the comments in question, as was made clear by the preceding remarks I made. I could have chosen a lengthy circumlocution to express my view, but frankly, "dolt" is pithy and far easier on the reader. A well-chosen epithet can say more in one word than 1000 weasel words. Who would you rather listen to: Kevin Rudd going around and around in circles, avoiding saying anything to give offence to anyone, or Paul Keating, cutting to the heart of an issue, making it personal?