PALE, some of Antje Struthmann's and TarynW's posts are, if I may say so, far more coherent than yours. Some are remarkably similar to yours. That is merely an observation and statement of fact, not an insult. There does not appear to be a facility for posting photographs on OLO.

I am perfectly satisfied with my legal advice and my own legal knowledge. I hope that you have the same confidence in your "lawyers" (who continue to be conspicuous by their silence).

I am not a member of PETA or any other organization other than (ironically) the RSPCA. RSPCA Queensland advised me that its relationship with PALE is the same as its relationship with (for example) Animal Liberation Queensland (not so much the close relationship that you imply beyond the IT provision).

I would suggest that, in the interests of credibility, you provide proof that any other animal advocacy group said they would not "touch live exports", and that PETA has helped more animals than you could ever dream of in the global perspective.

Nicky

Robert
If you are still reading this thread pls note the fact we cant win. Remember when you all complained that many people were posting as pale. GY said there was no rule against that- The rule was one person posting in many iDs.
Still we changed it anyway just for peace. Antje got her own and so did Taryn,. The others got sick of the fuss and just stopped.
So now by the last two posts perhaps you can see pale can not win.

As for RSPCA QLD Nicky I wouldnt be surpised what they might say to you TBO.
Everybody is away of your contiuned attacks on this post against pale and your pro peta support. Member or no member.
i do not agree PETA are helping live exports.
They are getting other groups names as being extremists.
btw pale is the only group in Australia working in conjunction with RSPCA QLD. However! unlike other states we all get on well with other groups.
You should try it some time because uless people work together the animals will contiune to suffer.
Pls keep that in mind before attacking fellow animal lovers. You asked me for the name of the person who said they didnt touch live exports before.
Thats easy Its was Glenyse. Why dont you ask her. Since then herself and Lyn have done a great deal towards it.
Thats very much to their credit and we support them totally

R0bert, if you ARE still reading this, I think I have made myself clear. By the content, formatting, grammar and punctuation of a large number of posts, I think PALE posts also in the name of "Macropod Whisperer" and "TarynW", while on other occasions those people genuinely post themselves. You only have to check across a number of posts from all three to see it.

While this sort of behaviour goes on, of course PALE cannot win and nor should it. RSPCA Queensland says that it has provided PALE with some computer facilities but beyond that its relationship with PALE is no different from its relationship with any other animal advocacy group; that is, it supports any who contribute to animal welfare in Queensland. I have no problem with that assessment.

PALE's problem is that it apparently believes it is fine to discredit everyone else involved in the movement (PETA, and Glenys Ooojges of Animals Australia in particular), then cries "defamation" when questions are directed back at it.

PETA's (and AA's) activities are not single-issue as PALE's are; they focus on all animal cruelty, not only live exports. I have excellent relationships with a number of groups and individual advocates, while PALE, with its bullying, aversive attitude, has alienated everyone.

But back to the topic. PALE claims that anyone and everyone else breaks the rules of this forum, yet expects to be able to do so itself with impunity and screams "foul" and "defamation" when challenged. The problem is that they make it so obvious. I think Graham, in spite of being on the receiving end of a lot of this behaviour from PALE, has done everything he can to address it, so I guess we all have to live with it.

Nicky

Nicky
Why do you keep bothering RSPCA QLD and writing to the department of fair trading claiming we are 'whatever.'

As I have said RSPCA QLD are well aware of the antics and the opposition from extremists groups against our work to reopen abattoirs. They actually warned us "before" we opended in fact.

Pale does not work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD on intensive farming or any other topic however we do with Live Animal Exports.
We work 50 50 in conjunction with RSPCA QLD on live exports only.

Youself and your friends are consumed with pale.

I am not trying to discredit Glenyse or anybody else. You asked the question and I answered you honestly.

IMOP their biggest mistake was to publicly be linked to PETA.
Of course that is only my personal opinion.
Sure we are going out of our way after being attacked by such organisation to get the truth out to the public.
Do you know why Nicky? For the Animals.

If the public are told all animal welfare groups are a bunch of extremists then that of course works in reverse for animals.
We do not oppose people eating meat or wearing clothes made out of Animal Products.
We do encourage the best conditions for those animals while they are living and the quickest death possible.

Nor do we answer to you about my posts Taryns or Antjes - or anybody else for that matter.
If you really cared about animals as you claim you would not have attacked Antje Taryn or myself for that matter.

You would simply be pleased as many people as possible were out there working against live exports.( Despite their spelling or where they came from.
You and your spelling and your fancy web pages wont make much difference.
I met a man last week who can not write or read. He just switched from sending live to chilled.
THAT! is what we are looking for Nicky People who dont carry on with a lot of rubbish and actually do something to make a difference.

PALE, I should back away while you can really. No denials?

Having one person posting in three names does not equate to "more" people working towards animal welfare, and it was PALE who has been raising issues about others not complying with the rules of OLO, while doing just that itself over who knows how long. You brought it up, not I.

For the record, it took only a minimal enquiry to get the information I wanted from Queensland Fair Trading and the RSPCA.

AA does not publicly link itself to PETA, so far as I know. It would be interesting to know what precisely is the "50/50" (with RSPPCA Queensland). too. Who makes what contribution?

AA does not attempt to force a vegan/vegetarian agenda, either, that's just part of the misinformation you keep trying to put out there to discredit Glenys Oogjes because she appears to have at some time presumed to ignore you or disagree with you or declined to fall into line with your slaughterhouse plans. That would be because AA would not want to be seen to be profiteering from animal slaughter. Different strategies, different philosophies, and AA is not a single issue organization, as you very well know.

You know as well as everyone else what AA presents to the public, and I remind you that it is AA which represents animal advocacy at consultative level, so it can hardly be described as "extremist". I would describe it as authoritative, in fact, to the point of being on the conservative side.

You even turn on the RSPCA when it suits your purpose. I remember calls for a "Royal Comishon" (sic)

So - I think there should be an agreement (in fact, there is) that PALE complies with the rules of this forum. Having more than one computer with which to log on does not exempt you from that.

Nicky

Nicky
This will be my last post. I made comments on this thread like everybody else to give an example of what we feel could be improved.

The fact is as you spend your whole life running around checking on pale and what they are doing- You should ask Graham Young who posts as MS and Taryn etc.
Antje posts very little these days because she fees you will start up again as you are trying to right now. Which is to try to discredit pale.
Just a few days ago I received an email reading. Pls check for OLO comment( Or words similar)
When I asked her why ?she said - Quote" I wont post unless you check it because I dont want to saying anything to start trouble. I said listen Antje you post what YOU think.
A I dont have the time and B why let Nicky bother you.
Then she started crying. Thanks very much Nicky. Your such a charmer!

Antje has a wealth of knowledge and has worked in wildlife care for over thirty years. Again as I said you may see Antje on our web page.
Taryn does not post much anymore because she got sick of you picking on her spelling etc.

I dont think anybody in this thread is interested to here about AA or RSPCA or even PALE.
It was opended for suggestions on posting OLO.

I suggest please Graham Young as you have spoken with Antje on the phone as well as myself you set this business about pales posting straight once and for all.
Thank You Graham . It would be appreciated.
Probably it would help other OLO posters to know the truth as well.