Steel,

>>”You reassert this in even bolder terms. Well sad to make you look like a fool (yet again):”

I have to say that I really do admire a person who can, upon being knocked down for the umpteenth time, get up and still claim to have won. It’s most enterprising of you steel, Well done old chap, never let reality bog you down I say.

In reference to the quotes of mine, which you have dredged up after what must have been a long days perusal, I have a couple of things to say.

1) It gives me great amusement to imagine you trawling through my posts. I can’t say I’ll be returning the compliment.
2) If, and this is a big if, you are suggesting you have provided evidence that I have taken a socialist/PC line on anything, this is just proving my point that I am pragmatic and do not tow the party line as you obviously do.

I’ll deal with your newspaper articles one at a time. I must note at this time however you’re judgement of ASIO relies upon reportage of the mainstream newspapers (Those playthings of the ruling classes). What is it that makes you feel you can trust them on THIS incident, but requires you to resort to the "non-mainstream" media for your "superior information awareness", otherwise??

Jack Roche, An admitted terrorist is evidence of NOTHING. He is hopelessly compromised.

The ASIO mole link we have already covered, so either you are incapable of reading the pieces you offer, or your padding out the list, which is it?

Regarding the medical student, I see the problem residing with the judge and the pathetic milquetoasts who insist upon kid glove treatment of terrorist suspects.

Ditto the next.

ASIO drip feed the public? WTF, ASIO is a spy organisation, it’s not their job to be educating the public.

Finally, you AGAIN raise reference to the issue of Soviet penetration of ASIO 40 years ago. We have dealt with this already above. It seems you really are either completely ignorant or you are being mendacious.

TBC

cont,
>>” So Iranians were found in Iraq? That's little more than coincidence nor substantial. …Whining about Iran is delusional, since they have more reason to be in the country than one from a different continent.”

I see. So you now admit that Iran is meddling in the affairs of Iraq, after having been asked a number of times by the elected Iraqi gov’t not to do so. Didn’t take much for you to change your tune on that one.

>>” In short you've posted a list of propaganda that was already revealed to be anomolous by my very recent link.

Your overweening attitude with respect to your own posts is really most amusing. For starters, your belief that this one article, (which in fact does not contain what you assert), negates ALL contention that Iran is involved in the insurgency in Iraq, is quite clearly fanciful in the extreme

This very recent link, as you seem not to know it, was a press release from CASMII, who are Iranian in origin (No likelihood THEY are funded by the mullahs, surely?) It referred to ONE single incident, when Iraqi Army forces claimed a particular explosive was Iranian in origin. This is categorically NOT evidence that Iran is NOT involved in the insurgency in Iraq. That you cannot see this is evidence of your intention to only see what you already believe.

Your scattergun approach to debate and rebuttal is on display again today. Of what relevance to the question of whether Iran is involved in Iraq, is missing US weapons?? It has NONE at all and it is further evidence of your inability to concentrate upon a single topic.

So, this article http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/07/2268129.htm
postdates your press release, I wonder whether you have the gall to claim it (The infamous ICH article) negates the above?

Or this http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19907&Itemid=128

Finally I suggest you read “Eight Lives Down” which is the wartime journal of a counter insurgent bomb disposal officer. He provides clear evidence of Iranian involvement in the insurgency in Iraq, particularly in the area of bombmaking materials and know-how.

I only spent about 5 minutes finding your comments.

It's funny how you are a socialist and PC, but now see that as "pragmatic". That makes all your prior rants against the "soft left" hilarious.

Iran may be involved in Iraq (and as shown not to the extent made out to be in propaganda). But...so is the USA...in a much, much bigger way. Not only that the USA trades with nations that harbour terrorists and spread nuclear to nations that haven't signed the NPT. There are many other facets of involvement also.

Jack Roche turned himself in. That shows a great degree of honesty. Your attack on him is nothing more than an ad hominem.

I love how you dismiss the importance of the law in the case of ASIO. That's an authoritarian position.