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Bilderberg are meeting this weekend in Chantilly, Virginia

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It's a fair cop guv.

>>Hi Pericles, here is a link to view the list of Bilderberg 2008 attendees... Let me know if you can't find any of the categories I've mentioned on this list<<

Looks like all the bases are covered.

Some puzzling inclusions though.

Why include journalists? Admittedly, the rapporteurs are from The Economist, and you can't really get much more subversive than those fellows.

But please, what is the conspiracy theorist's explanation?

I assume the actual guests from the Fourth Estate - the Publisher and Editor of Der Standard, the Editorial Page Editor of The Wall Street Journal, the Chairman and CEO of the Washington Post - are part of the conspiracy.

Essential to making sure that nothing gets out into the public domain, I suppose. That's what newspapers do best, after all.

But the Queen of the Netherlands, a global conspirator? Do me a favour.

Although I guess she did marry a member of Hitler Youth... hmmmm.

No, the clincher for me is that Peter Mandelson will be there.

He couldn't even conspire to buy a house in Notting Hill without getting into trouble.

But many thanks for the link, you have certainly set my mind at rest.

Incidentally, using Occam's razor, couldn't there be a simple explanation for this observation of yours?

>>a meeting of this nature is a potential violation of the Logan Act, a 1799 law that criminalizes unauthorized U.S. citizens from negotiating with foreign governments<<

Could it possibly be that no such nefarious negotiating will take place?

Hence the awesome lack of secrecy about the attendees, and the meeting itself.

Tell you what. If I was going to conspire to influence world affairs in the way you hint is happening here, I'd sure as eggs do it in private.

Without journalists.

Although the Queen of the Netherlands would always be welcome.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 2:08:57 PM
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Fooon, “In terms of US law a meeting of this nature is a potential violation of the Logan Act, a 1799 law that criminalizes unauthorized U.S. citizens from negotiating with foreign governments.”

But said act would not make criminal a group of people where the "foreigners" being met with were present as “individuals”.

Without going into it further, I could possibly suggest Roosevelt and Churchill’s meetings to draw USA away from its neutral stance in the early years of WWII would likewise qualify, wherein Roosevelt was not “authorised” by congress and Churchill was the head of a foreign government.

Either way, I think you are just making a noise to satisfy your own insecurities and maybe inadequacies.

As for “New World Order” it sure beats the alternative old order of “communist brute force and oppression through starvation” (popular with Lenin, Stalin Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il Robert Mugabe etc.) as well as the “Socialism by Stealth” which I believe is the objective of Carbon Trading.

For my money without even seeing it, I like the idea.
Posted by Col Rouge, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 2:42:25 PM
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Fooon,

Sorry, what part about not referencing nutbag sites did you not understand. Your reference to George Washington’s blog is hardly proof of anything? As if a blog by persons unknown that covers the entire gamut of conspiracy theories can be taken as evidence. Do you even notice that the site doesn’t actually refer to real documents or people to back up the story? Real academia/news references everything and they don’t reference other unreferenced sites, they require primary sources for their articles.

I’m sorry but there should also be a rule that anyone who uses the word “paradigm” should be relegated to the crazy socialist league and their various blogs and warned off OLO for life.

Does it not occur to you to consider, as Pericles points out, the point of a secret society if it’s not secret? I mean seriously mate, is that the way a complex conspiracy involving respected news organizations would operate? I really don’t think so. Does it not occur to you that the supposed/elected “powers that be” might be a little upset to be usurped in such a way. Or that the intelligence services of said countries would actively work to out this type of organization?

You say>>” might not make any sense now, you're not ready for it”

I see. It’s an idea before its time right? But hang on, haven’t you seen the reams of sh!t people have posted about the UFO’s at area51?,or the pages devoted to the conspiracies regarding 9/11? Conspiracy theories aren’t new, they’ve been around for eons.

Frankly, even if it were true it wouldn’t bother me. I’d suggest it appeals/frightens most those who just cannot believe that their gov’t doesn’t do the things they want. These people assume that because they and their associates are all nutbag socialists that somehow they are being denied their right to be represented by someone like them. It pains these people that Blair, Howard and Bush (the second time) were actually elected by a majority of the people. And that they are implementing policies which are entirely consistent with their platform.
Posted by Paul.L, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 4:01:46 PM
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Hi Pericules, back again....

“Why include journalists?”
Think of it this way, if you want to really subvert an entire people and their political system, you have to have the media on your side. Especially, since the advent of that evil box (the TV), we see large sections of the great unwashed masses who get their version of reality from the “News” media. They not only get their “News” but build their schema of the world and their expectations strongly influenced by the media. It's incredibly powerful what can be suggested through the media.

The media can be very cunning in terms of the spin that is put on something, or lies by ommission. This Bilderberg meeting is a great example. If it's so important, why haven't some details of what discussions were specifically about been released?

As for the Queen of the Netherlands, well, Bilderbergs first meeting was at Oosterbeck, Holland in 1959, and the group was actually started by Prince Bernhard.... (Nazi)

You noted the

“awesome lack of secrecy about the attendees and meeting itself”.

Bilderberg have been meeting as I said, since 1959, and this is the first time the list of attendees has been published (by the Bilderbergers themselves) and a press release sent out. Previous lists have been leaked by insiders to Jim Tucker who has been doggedly following this group for 30 years.
Until about 10 years, ago, the press denied the existence of the group, but this year, due to increased coverage by the alternative media, they've been forced to say something. It's full of vague language and spin of course. Believe me, if they could have kept it quiet, they would have. They're now into damage control, hence the very minimal press release.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=2637

A very good book is “The True Story of the Bilderberg Group” by Daniel Estulin.
Posted by fooon, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 11:57:10 PM
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Pericules, another questions posed was....

“Could it possibly be that no such nefarious negotiating will take place?”

Just think of it like this. You've got a group of people, that together constitute a structure of power and influence that is incredibly far reaching, they meet every year in private to talk about something they don't want you to know about.

What could it be about? Golf? Photography? Trainspotting?

It doesn't take Einstein to figure out they'd most likely be discussing ideas, machinations, that will best serve the interests they control. What do they have in common? Why are they so keen to keep it secret? Is it not possible that they all get together with the idea that “we're at the top now, let's make sure we stay here and make things go our way”, and they certainly have the resources to do it.

On top of this, research and leaks from inside have revealed their agenda. You'll have to do some digging, I can't cover it all here.

Seriously though, do a bit of searching and even if something seems a little far fetched at first, see how it meshes with what other have had to say about it.

I first heard of this group about 15 years ago as a young uni student. Of course I though it was all paranoid rubbish, until 15 years later, I was "woken up" by a good friend. I took another look at the accusations and was amazed to see the agenda I'd heard talk of back then had indeed become reality. Seeing the changes over 15 years has really driven it home to me.
Posted by fooon, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:04:50 AM
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Until a few years ago the entire mainstream media and all Bilderberg attendees denied it's existence. Recently, due to attention from people like Alex Jones, Jim Tucker, and Daniel Estulin, the Bilderberg Group has been mentioned 2 or 3 times in mainstream publications admitting "They Rule" and "Elite are Even Elusive" in the headlines. This year, for the first time ever, they actually released a public list of attendees!

I strongly recommend reading Paul Joseph Watson's "Order Out of Chaos":

http://www.scribd.com/doc/294193/Paul-Joseph-Watson-Order-out-of-Chaos-Elite-Sponsored-Terrorism-and-the-New-World-Order

“Surely senior officials of the World Trade Organization, Federal Reserve, Financial Institutions like Rockefeller (the man himself), the EU and UN World Government models, and corporate oil conglomerates couldn't belong to the same group as the leading politicians and the media? Well, they do. They all belong to the Bilderberg Group.” -Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (10)

and watching Alex Jones excellent documentary "EndGame":

http://www.whatistheendgame.com

“In 1954 the elite of the planet met in secret at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland. The Bilderberg group would later admit that their mission was the formation of the EU. Once the EU was established, under the guise of trade deals a North American Union and Asian Union would be formed. The three interlocking super-states form the core of the global government, while the United Nations would serve as a world regulatory and enforcement body over the third-world sub-regions. The Bilderberg group consists of the heads of all the managing Round Table groups that steer individual countries. Picture the elite power structure of the world as a giant pyramid with only the elite of the elite at the tip-top of the capstone. The group has been so secretive that until the mid-1980’s the controlled corporate media denied its existence. Into the late 1990s coverage only consisted of rare one-line mentions, but with the rise of the alternative media, their strangle-hold on information has begun to slip.” -Alex Jones, “Endgame”
Posted by ericdubay, Thursday, 12 June 2008 12:17:54 AM
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