Dear_evo,

there-is-no con-tract

we-are all-[ALL] given this-gift_of-life
to-do -with-as we-chose
We_ALL_have_freewill

God_dosnt_judge no-one ,

we-can accept his_love [or-chosre-to-reject it]

just-as any good_parent lets their-own-children live-their 'life' as they-chose

[but hoping/trusting they discover the rewards that doing good brings]

We-ALL die my-brother
that-is a-fact

When-we_die more-of-that we-gave_will-be_given

[recall-''mine fathers_house has many-rooms''...]
[.. in heaven or hell ,
but each according to that we freely chose to-do with_passion

[for-eternity-doing-that-which-we in_this-life loved-to do]

Thus we-have here in-the_place some call-hell ,
but others heaven
[the_room-of those who loved-to-murder ]

all-in-it get-to murder [EACH OTHER] for_eternity

Here is another of our_fathers_many-rooms
[the room of those who love to steal ,but they love it so , but can only steal-[for_eternity if-so they_chose]-from each other

Here_is yet another_realm [sorry room]
here is the-room of those who ,....

[well you guessed the_deal ,
...the_room of those with the-SAME-loves of good or evil ,
there are uncountable rooms [realms]

where each_can_do as they love [LOVED] to do in life

Each has their own_ruling-passion
[love of that which they LOVE to be-doing

[remember god is a god-of-love ?]
even those-who hate god have their own_'heaven' ,

Its-not till they-we-have had their-our- fill
and begin hating-or-repenting- their-our ruling passion they-we--can-or-will-leave our-free-chosen-,-their_free-chosen-realm

[to go into their-our next passion realm] ,
from debators [by topic] to readers ,
to artists to pervets

all have their-our-own realm-

[but-they-[we]-can-only-do-their-[our]-debauchery-or-deceptions-blessings-or curse-upon each-other]

[vivasectionist-HELL-sounds-really-bad-but-they-so-love-disecting-each-other-with-such-eternal-unending-passion]

Each scism of believers have their own_realms ,

The wish to 'live forever' is divided into-what other_passions you so-enjoyed in this_realm

But be carfull what_you_wish for ,

because there-is better and worse than thee ,

many murderors love the being-in-this-room-of murder
but hate being murderd for eternity ,

to ye that have [passion ]
more of the same will-be-given]

for god_is_love ,
so love what you do ,
you could be doing it for eternity
but-WHat-is-salt-that-has lost-its-flavour ?

[i guess thats why i like to-serve ,and try-to help others
[i have allready chosen the realm
where i-will start my_eternity]

[i hope-not-with-the-decievers-in-the-lowest-realm]

which realm have you [by your =-own-very-deeds chosen?]

one_under-god, maybe you would like to answer the following questions?

- Where does it say the Bible is open to interpretation?

- Was it declared by God or Jesus as subject to interpretation?

- Why do followers think they have the *authority* to interpret God's Word/Bible, or decide to? Furthermore, why do they think their interpretation is correct and say, anyone else's would be incorrect?

Dear Oliver.. nice to see the evidence of some in depth reading of Josepus there :) *tick* 4 u.

Steely.. you asked "Where does 'it' say.. the Bible is open to interpretation"

I don't really know why you ask this question, because it is a written text, so obviously it, like any document, including the Quran, it must be understood in terms of some basic rules.

1/ Who was speaking? (including the narrator of a report)
2/ To whom was he/she speaking?
3/ What do we know about the social/cultural/political conditions of the day?
4/ When was it spoken?
5/ How was it communicated?

A simple example of point 5 is this, Paul used a secretary.. emmanuensis.. to record some of his letters.

e.g.Romans 16: 22

<<I, Tertius, who wrote down this letter, greet you in the Lord.>>

So, Paul did not personally physically write 'Romans'..Tertius did.(As Paul dictated)
The only thing to 'interpret' here is to note the fact of it. Good ol Tertius slips in a personal greeting in the final chapter.

So..that little bit is not about 'doctrine' its just a personal greeting.

We need to know the difference between:

-Friendly advice/encouragement "But I think this is the best way"
-Outright 'command' a 'must'..."There is no other practice accepted"
-A permission. (to marry)
-A forbidden (like Idol worship or taking of blood)
-A report of other peoples actions or events (either good or bad)

etc.. then, we are in a good position to 'interpret' :)

For example, the presense in the Old Testament of the 'report' of Judah committing incest with his daughter in law or Lots daughters getting him drunk and seducing him... are "reports of events" not commands to emulate them.

"Its a trap! There is a third choice."

There is one factor in your favor: not all scriptures can be right - because they contradict each other. This applies most to the gospels and the quran: while both these scripures emerged around the same space-time, yet are in contradiction of each other in both historical and belief modes! This signifies at least one or both are wrong.

This phenomenon has subsequently caused widespread chaos and conflicts upon humanity, allowing no place to hide or to stay neutral. Take the example of the jews, who faced not only Rome's decree of worshipping its man made emperor, but also two religions who demanded alliegence - or be doomed.

Great destruction is pointed to ahead, before things can settle down and a new order becomes concluded. Humanity is hijacked by the gospels and the quran being in utter contradiction of both history and laws, each accusing the jews of chosen people, while both promoting a doctrine of rabid racism: exclusive kingdom keys, and no God but Allah and Mohammed.

The precarious situation is that if the Gospels falls, via some new discovery, then the Quran also falls - all in one single stroke. This is because the quran validates certain factors of the Gospels, such as an immaculate birth, while it rejects the resurrection: more chaos. So two of the world's greatest religious groups stand on thin ice, and one wonders what will happen to the plight of so many genuine and innocent believers - they will be trust into a vaccuum.

The two religions which were offshoots of Judaism, assumed themselves its owners, at a time when the jewish bible became public domain with Israel destroyed by Rome, and they have come to realise all their additions and subtractions came into chaos - each positing a doctrine the other denies, each claiming the only correct path is their own. But what if the Jews are right? Is that a terrible truth hovering?

Speaking of Mien Kampf Boaz may I quote Hitler from its pages "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."

I had a vision after reading Daniel Ch3. It was of a rat with a pope's mitre on his head at the feet of a huge gold statue of Jesus. The rat was busily polishing away while the smoke from what looked like concentration camp ovens billowed forth continuously over the scene.

"Whoever doesn't bow down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace."

From the fires of the pogroms to the Inquisition and the burning of (predominantly Jewish) heretics at the stake, then to the ovens of Auschwitz, this prophetic vision has held true.

I'm sure you might agree that a Jewish person may well view interpret visions and scriptures from his/her own book differently than others who choose to use it to promote their own faith.

Re. "I don't really know why you ask this question, because it is a written text, so obviously it, like any document, including the Quran, it must be understood in terms some basic rules."

Ironically, only the OT has the mandated law, NOT TO ADD OR SUBTRACT ANYTHING FROM THIS BOOK OF LAWS. This means, technically, only the OT cannot be interpreted by discretion. It also means that it is possible a messiah can emerge, and order both christians and muslims to change their scriptures - while that Messiah will not be able to say the same to the jews: only the one who gave the Jewish bible can say that - which calls for a Sinai style open revelation. And here, this applies:

'GOD IS NOT LIKE MAN THAT HE WILL CHANGE HIS MIND' [Samuel]

" Paul used a secretary.. emmanuensis.. to record some of his letters."

There is no such thing as a prophet or messenger who has not written his own works. All 55 OT prophets wrote their own books. It is suspcious no writings of Jesus exist - which means words attributed to him may not be from him or from his space-time. It is also incorrect jesus spoke aramaic - if he was a Jew in Judea, he would have spoken, written and prayed only in Hebrew. These are false slants presented by europe to disassociate itself from the jews - or rather, from the truth.

"For example, the presense in the Old Testament of the 'report' of Judah committing incest with his daughter in law or Lots daughters getting him drunk and seducing him... are "reports of events" not commands to emulate them."

Wrong on both counts.

Judah did not commit the crime of incest, because he was unaware who the woman was - she disguised herself intentionally, and a sin is only applicable when it is done with knowledge of it.

The daughters of Lot also did what they did for the noblest of reasons: they thought all of humanity was destroyed as opposed only Sodom, and their purpose was to save humanity.