EUROSTAN IS GUILTY AS HELL - THINKING GOD CAN BE FOOLED BY AN EVIL MULTITUDE.

"They were urgent that a church should be instituted among them
but this was for no other end than that they-might-be distinguished above all-nations

How dare Israel still *OCCUPY ALL OF 12%* of the land alloted her in the Balfour Declaration. How dare Jews genocide Europe's invented ' Pretend Pals' - who have more options & facilities than any other people in Geo-History. How dare the Zionists Zionise Zion. How dare the world not call a deathly 3-state as a 2-state. But the truth will never set Eurostan free - and the real Judas is one who sold out the Jews when they were most helpless - for 30 barrels of oil:

'IT WILL BE AN HISTORIC CONPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS' - Churchill.

Briton lost her prefix of 'Great' when she corrupted the Balfour. Jews have never stolen anyone's land in all their 4000 year history - exactly the reverse of Eurostan's history - who murdered more innocent people than any other. Eurostan is hell-bent on killing the witness for Heaven's prosecution. Understandable. Go for it - fool Heaven. Hell is what happens to you while your busy making other plans.

IamJoseph,

I am not refuting the persecutions. But it was a case the Christians would not "pray for the safety of the Emperor" [as some churches do for the Queen today], the zealots wanted a Jewish chursh-state, and, the Jews would not allow Pagans into the Temple, becuase the latter had eaten unclean meat from the bone "like dogs". Also, there was much civil disobedience amongst the Christised Jews, as before adult baptism the Christian Jews would go on a sin-fest. The first 1-15 bishops of the Church were Jewish, not Gentile Christians. Later by having a Gentile leadership, Jews under Christian guise could move into the Holy Lands, overcoming sactions put into place by Hadrian.

What is your source for the two million number? Over what period? Nero, Diocletian & Caligula would have been this worse, I think.

The Romans, as pantheists, were generally tolerated all religions, yet were superstitious. Non-conformity by a Religion or an Emperor for that matter could lead to a down-fall. Judaism had the protection of antiquity, Christianity didn't. Albeit, we have Jewish-Roman Wars in 60s & 130s

Trying to pretend you don't notice when someone's having a lend is not a good look, Boaz, it makes you look very silly indeed.

>>Bugsy.. you did an excellent job!<<

What happened to dignity?

And finally - finally - you come clean with what we all knew, the whole way through.

>>The reason you did so well, is that you did not "inject" much if anything of what you already know into the text.. and that.. has been my point all along. (it's how I approach the Quran)<<

Quelle surprise énorme

This whole rigmarole has been yet another exercise in self-serving narcissism, with the sole objective of deflecting criticism of one of your nastier habits, the scabrous interpretation of carefully selected verses from the Qur'an.

Sorry. Didn't work.

But even worse, you have inadvertently drawn attention to one of the biggest holes in your entire argument.

You make a big deal of the Qur'an as a source document, and consistently compare it (via the highly selective process mentioned) with the Bible.

What you have placed in the spotlight is the huge number of question marks over the New Testament as a historical document - and by definition, the conclusions you draw about its content.

It is one of your more annoying habits, that you simply walk away from questions you cannot cogently answer, but nevertheless I'd still appreciate an attempt at the most recent one.

Can you point to one line of third-party evidence that any of the unusual, defining events in the life of Jesus actually occurred

"I am not refuting the persecutions. But it was a case the Christians would not "pray for the safety of the Emperor" [as some churches do for the Queen today], the zealots wanted a Jewish chursh-state, and, the Jews would not allow Pagans into the Temple, becuase the latter had eaten unclean meat from the bone "like dogs".

You understandably make excuses. But regretably, all the excuses are additional falsehoods - these continued throughout medevial Europe and prevail today. The original christians were NOT Jews, nor was Paul anymore a Jew after he was expelled and ex-communicated for desecrating the OT to appease Romans. Jews do not worship divine man - PERIOD - that is why they sacrificed over a million in its defense of Rome's decree, and lost their homeland for the noblest reason among all humanity's history - it is unpardonably omitted from the NT and distorted by malligning them. Alexander entered the temple as an honored guest, as did Queen Sheba and her entire party. But even Jews could not enter with forbidden meat [why do you disdain God's laws?], and only the High Preist could enter the H of H. The new christians freely worshipped Rome's images, else they would not have survived till Constantinople. However, this is their own belief and I do not question it - its the horrific false charges made which is the problem, and how a billion christians have come to accept it - this means christians can only be saved via Jews reminding them of the truth, and all Jews must help christians here. The church has not been a good example, and this is a tuff call for sincere believers to accept.

"Also, there was much civil disobedience amongst the Christised Jews, as before adult baptism the Christian Jews would go on a sin-fest. The first 1-15 bishops of the Church were Jewish, not Gentile Christians. Later by having a Gentile leadership, Jews under Christian guise could move into the Holy Lands, overcoming sactions put into place by Hadrian."

The term Baptism came later from Europe, and was never a christian, but a Jewish OT ritual ['Mikvah']. There's no such thing as a sin-fest, nor can one call defending against Rome's depraved decrees as disobedience - in fact, this is the greatest sacrifice by a people in all recorded history, and puts PAID to the false charges of dis-believers. I don't believe what is ascribed to Jesus - all we have is Europe's word for it.

"What is your source for the two million number? Over what period? Nero, Diocletian & Caligula would have been this worse, I think. "

The Josephus Documents list 1.1 million killed in the war with Rome/70 CE, giving breakdowns via towns and populations. The Roman decree to worship its emperor emerged with Caligua/10 BCE, and since this time, there were daily crucifixions, upto 800 a day, in all parts of Judea, which accounts for over a million again. Also, there were later rebelians upto 135 CE, when the name f Judea was changed to Palestina. the depiction of one Jew sacrificing himself - itself a lie, because Jesus would have had no immunity from the charge of heresy [all were killed by Rome, including Paul]- which the NT blames on jews [deicide], to appease Rome. I challenge you to evidence Jews revelling over the death of another, specially when the murders were Roman nazis, with beedy eyed snidings as per the gospels and Mad Mel's passion of a 1000 lashes per frame - choose from 4000 tears of history? if you cannot, then walk humbly with thy God and do not subscribe to false witnesses. Tuff call I know.

Well bugger me drunk - d'ye mean to say that Boazy was scheming to expose the Q'uran as a noxious religious document via a cunning hermeneutic strategy? Arrr.. if only he was such a cunning linguist!

One of Boazy's more pathetic traits is the way that he claims to have won over those who are having a lend of him. If he wasn't such an enthusiastic purveyor of hypocrisy and hatred I might have more sympathy for him when he makes an idiot of himself so regularly.

My first post to this thread indicated my attitude to Boazy's pretensions to teach some of us how to analyse texts. It hasn't improved.