I have the greatest difficulty in understanding what BOAZ is on about and as for One Under God.............does anyone understand or am I the only one ? I sympathise with the attempts by Steel and Fractelle and Morgan with their intelligent and articulate attempts to express points of view in a most logical manner, but I think they should save their time and do something more worthwhile than try to persuade people who believe in myths and superstition. It's a no-win situation

Snake

Thanks for compliments :-)

You are not alone with difficulties in deciphering under-one-god - I start to read his posts and suddenly find I'm staring out the window. So I do save some time there and don't bother with his posts any more.

As for trying to reason with Boaz, heh heh; he is like one of those itches than you can ignore for a very long time, then you've just gotta scratch until it is raw, then you can leave it be for a while. I think I am reaching that point of satiation now.

Boaz, yeah, wot CJ said: "What is this "Creation charter", and how does it support discrimination against women in your church?"

Inquiring minds want to know.

This is why I claim religion is generally child abuse. The children who have these ideas will grow up and expect society to obey them (if they can't escape it) and also suffer many personal conflicts and shame as children because they are sinners and will be damned to hell and eternal torture. This will affect the normal development of their mind. many religious parents in the USA for example showed the R-rated Passion of Christ to their underage children.

Boazy,
"When the Armenian king visited Nero in the year 66, he knelt and addressed the emperor as “master” and “god.” At that point, apparently, Nero indeed viewed himself in terms approaching divinity. According to third-century Roman senator and historian Dio Cassius, Nero told the king, “You have done well to come here in person, so that by meeting me face-to-face you might enjoy my grace. . . . I have the power to take away kingdoms and to bestow them” (Roman History 63.5.3)." [in Hulme 2008]

Do you see any parallels to Mark 1 1-4? Herein a subordinate suplicates to a superordinate, whom claimed domain of kingdoms? Nero seems to agree that the king should see, He, Nero, as divine. How do we interpret this exchange? If this exchange is claimed secular and Mark 1 1-4 religious... Why? On what basis

Right on the money snake. Why otherwise very intelligent people bother rising to these baits is a mystery.

A troll's a troll. The worst thing you can do is feed them.

people dont get what im saying?

The commandments.

1. Belief in G-d given freedom
derived from the declaration in Ex. 20:2 beginning,

"I am the L-rd, your G-d...who brought you out of ..slavery"

[thus know your called to act as civilised freemen [being suns of god],
[knowing and following the freeman LAW of good[god]]

2. Prohibition of Improper Worship [of idols ,or faulse gods ,or unfair laws,
or any [things] you could value above god or put before god]

This category is derived from Ex. 20:3-6, beginning,

"You shall not have other gods before me...
[explained further by listing idols 20;4
[ie anything above or below or on the earth"
remember 20;5 you shall NOT bow down to them
noting ;those who love me keep MY commandments

It encompasses within it the prohibition against the worship of other gods
as well as the prohibition of improper forms of worship of the one true G-d,
such as worshiping G-d through an idol.[or son'of god' or any 'material' manifestations
man can put before god

3. Prohibition of Oaths
This category is derived from Ex. 20:7, beginning,
"You shall not take the name of the L-rd your G-d in vain...
" This includes prohibitions against [taking oath , thus commiting]perjury,
or accidently breaking or delaying the performance of vows or promises,
and speaking G-d's name or swearing unnecessarily.
as reconfirmed mathew 5;33-37 ,matt 2316-23



These 3are fairly simple_and_straightforward,

all of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles.

Any non-Jew who follows these commandments has a place in the world to come.

The Noahic commandments are binding on all people,
because all people are descended from Noah and his family.

The Noahic commandments are applied more leniently to non-Jews than the corresponding commandments are to Jews,
because non-Jews do not have the benefit of Oral Torah to guide them in interpreting the laws.
For example, worshipping G-d in the form of a man would constitute idolatry for a Jew;

posted IN FULL here [ie no word limit][see johannine]
http://www.thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=718&p=7828#p7828
or more full at [one under god]
http://morgana.forumco.com