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A dead Palestinian Child

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I'd like to know which rabbi said this...and in what context...although I wouldn't deny it's possible that a particular rabbi did say it. However, just as pedophile priests are not representative of their faith so too individual rabbis do not necessarily represent the faith and practice of Judaism. Point in case, the "rabbis" who met with Ahmedinejad and who would welcome the demise of Israel...represent a rabid fringe group. In any case, this does not detract from the argument that the truth deserves to be heard and those who perpetrate lies held responsible for their actions.
Posted by feisty, Monday, 2 June 2008 7:54:45 AM
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FASCINATING...I just can't leave this_pearl_from_Pericles alone..

"Using an eight-year-old event to stir up hatred all over again ... As can be seen from the posts that followed, there are plenty of folks here only too willing to use any and every opportunity to flaunt their anti-Islamic fear and loathing."

So.. according to Pericles. an event which produced, hate and destruction, the polarization of the world..

..being SHOWN to be a lie,..and thus raising questions about many OTHER lies.. particularly the 'slant' placed on those horrific photo's and captions in one of Pericles links..

is just ADDING to the problem... rather than the solution...

So.. establishing 'truth'... is .. 'adding to hatred' ? the mind doth truly boggle..

I'm not sure what Pericles proposes as a 'real' solution here, and given his reluctance to transpose his "it reflects very badly on your understanding of the English language." accusation to Paul L, into his own efforts in understanding simple english texts which promote child sexual abuse, in certain holy books... I don't have much hope that Pericles knows much about 'solutions', rather, he just likes to criticize people?

Then there is this beauty :)

"There is also absolutely nothing in the tragedy of Israel and Palestine that justifies the scoring of cheap points."

Sounds a bit like "You don't have a clue..and I'm not interested in looking at ancient documents anyhow" (paraphrase of Pericles oft stated position)

Anyone wanna buy some cheap points?

Pericles is long on criticizing..but short on real workable solutions based on an understanding of both human nature and history.
He might refer to the 'infant' UN and 'childlike' 'Human Rights'...but both human nature and history should be his tutors there.

Perilous.. SOLUTION.. 'one side must win, and do so decisively'

All countries that exist..exist on that basis.
(no..this is not a 'Christian' solution, it's a 'worldly' one, the "Christian" one is:

'all sides lay down arms, and embrace Christ as Lord' why?

Galatians 3:28

<<There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.>> (nor is there 'Palestinian')
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 2 June 2008 9:03:16 AM
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MORE..

According to SMH
The 'friends' of Hebron were simply and innocently trying to:

<<Ms Lawson said there was nothing alarming or disturbing about the exhibition,(WHAT?!) and that it MERELY raised the plight of "Palestinian refugees'' living in Hebron.>>

JEWISH MASSACRE.. I wonder how 'friendly' these 'friends of Hebron' would be if we put an exhibition in the same library, on the same day highting the horror the first major massacre of an ancient Jewish community by Arab Muslims in Hebron in 1929?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html

Of course.. they would HATE it..and call it "biased..divisive... a right wing plot..contributing to the problem not the solution, inciting hatred" etc ad nauseum

Nope.. "massacres of Jews" even before Israel came to 'be' is not in the Palestinian/Left Wing script.

But you better believe it IS...in mine!

Such examples have NOTHING whatsoever to do with 'ancient documents'... nope.. its all about LAND.. and 'politics'..

OH WAIT.. there WAS no 'Land' issue when these Jews were slaughtered.. it was all Arab land... *scratches head*..now where did I go wrong here?

1976 DAMOUR, LEBANON(long before Sabra and Shatila 1982)

I wonder how it would be if we had a large exhibition of the PLO massacre of Christian residents in Damour south Beruit.. a town of 25,000 driven mercilessly into the sea by Muslim Arab PLO...babies and grandmothers slaughtered... their crime ? "They were Christian"

http://www.truelebanon.bravehost.com/pics/dampics-slideshow.html

So... there is no end to 'what' can be shown to support one's cause, there is ample fuel for all sides. Then..people are surprised that I always go to the heart of the matter.. "what drives all this"

ancient divisions, theological differences? nah.. couldn't be that-what was I thinking?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 2 June 2008 9:27:36 AM
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Pointing out the age and context of the item is not the same as defending it, Belly.

>>The event was shameful it remains an act that shames those who did it and those who defend it.<<

And I totally agree that there should not be a statute of limitations on the truth, feisty...

>>My point...after all is that exposing lies and those who perpetrate them does not have a statute of limitations on it...the truth needs to be told and those who perpetrate lies and myths ought to be held accountable for the dire consequences of their actions<<

...no question.

But some thought must be given to the motives behind re-opening old wounds and getting fired up all over again.

In Northern Ireland they still talk of the Great Hunger, of the Black and Tans, and Of the IRA's indiscriminate murder of civilians by leaving crude bombs in bags under the seats in restaurants, pubs and buses

It is the culture of "keep our enemies atrocities in front of us so we can continually refuel our hatred".

This is not the rationale of people who want to end conflict, but of those who want to prolong it.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 2 June 2008 9:42:36 AM
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Pericles...the motive is to correct the lies. The motive is to make the journalists behave with integrity and balance, to force them to abide by high standards of journalism (what's that?) and afford us, their audiences, with truthful reporting in order to PREVENT MORE HATRED being stirred up. That's it in a nutshell. Fiction belongs in fiction novels and labelled as such. News should consist of reporting facts not making facts up to fuel one side's agenda. Opinion and commentary...well that's something else again. But at least if you read an opinion piece, you know that's what you are getting don't you?
Posted by feisty, Monday, 2 June 2008 10:09:50 AM
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feisty, we seem to be in violent agreement on every aspect except the timeframe.

>>Pericles...the motive is to correct the lies...<<

My point was that this was achieved many years ago. No-one has believed the video to be anything more than deliberate, hate-mongering propaganda for many years now. The publicity, the court case, everything has exposed the work for what it was. All lies have long been "corrected".

Correction of lies, and the promotion of truth, is no longer the issue. The issue is how long shall it continue to be used as a means to keep the fires of hatred burning.

Clearly I am in the minority here, and believe that time is a factor. If I had your attitude, I could not have worked for either the German or the Japanese companies that have employed me in the past.

Oh, and just in case you thought I hadn't noticed, Boaz...

>>an event which produced, hate and destruction, the polarization of the world... is just ADDING to the problem... rather than the solution"

Nope. Wrong again. Please re-read, in context. There, that's better, isn't it.

>>Pericles is long on criticizing..but short on real workable solutions based on an understanding of both human nature and history...Perilous.. SOLUTION.. 'one side must win, and do so decisively'<<

That's what I like about you Boaz. The ability to reduce an infinitely complex problem to one, simple solution.

Nuke the cr*p out of them.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 2 June 2008 10:29:35 AM
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