ASymeonakis”Because they are women, because they become pregnant, have birth, because they care their kits.”

Maybe because they get pregnant, have births care for their “kits” they do not “commit” to their jobs in the same way men do.

“Why the women have to destroy their future, have to care their kits alone? Where is the father, where is the government, where is the employer?”

Womens futures- with the man in their life, it is called marriage

Fathers are at work, doing it for their families

Government are doing what governments do best, pissing your and my taxes out the window

Employers are looking after the legitimate needs of all their employees, shareholders, customers, suppliers and that bleeding government who need to know too much about nothing, not just the women.

“CROSS ONLY ON WOMEN'S SHOULDERS?”

Crap

“(if we line up with Europe etc,)”

Europe have different problems and priorities than Australia.

“Time to change the roles of the game.”

That is for individuals to decide for themselves, not for you to dictate.

“productivity will be increased” no it will not

“It will contribute to wage inflation, not really because already last years Howard government gave the bonus for a child birth.”

And I did not support that inflationary rubbish either.

“will transfer to fathers responsibilities for their children.”

Father already have responsibility for their children, this one had, without special leave and my daughters are fine. They don’t look for handouts from government either

As for the rest, you are a sentimental fool, maybe you think pandering to women might get you a girl friend. Trust me it won’t, it will more likely get you a punch on the nose from other men.

Men have rights and abilities. Men managed businesses for generations before women.

I have no problem with women participating in business to the extent of their individual ability but I do have problems with differential employment benefits because they are divisive, discriminatory and do not improve the lot of either employees or employers.

Hi all

While I do not agree with ASymeonakis' views on paid maternity leave, I think the post by PALE is extraordinarily vitriolic and discriminatory.

ASymeonakis. please accept my apologies at least for that. We do not all treat people that way.

Cheers
Nicky

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
The names indicate the roots, culture, religious of a person, they are their visible DNA of a migrant full of emotional values.
When we change the name from the migrants we humiliate them, we make them to fill weak, unprotected, losers, because we ignore, violate, change their name, something very personal and very valuable for them.
Changing migrant's names is very often, some times the changes are small some times big and very painful. Imagine to change a Cristian name to a Muslim or Hindu name, imagine to change Muslim migrant's his name to a Cristian name. This could be very painful. Why?
Many countries, many people try to change migrant's name because they want to stop migrant's connection with their past, because they want to wipe , destroy migrant's offer to their country.
If we use the real names of every person, Antonios, Gusepe, Aisa, Mohamet, Muller, Minguel, Carvalio etc, slowly, slowly we will understand and accept them, we understand and accept that in this country leave and work and offer people from various countries with different cultures, languages etc.
THIS WILL BRING AUSTRALIANS CLOSER TO EACH OTHER, THIS WILL IMPROVE THE RELATIONS BETWEEN AUSTRALIANS FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS.
My goal is not to bring you in difficult position or to hurt you, but to grab the opportunity from the change you made in my name and promote something more important and useful for Australia.
MY PERMANENT GOAL IS TO WIPE THE BLOCKS WHICH SEPARATE US AND PROMOTE THE UNDERSTANDING AND COOPERATION AND FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN AUSTRALIANS BUT THIS COULD HAPPENED ONLY IF WE RESPECT THE PERSONALITY AND SENSITIVITIES FROM EACH PERSON.
Regards
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Nicky
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming is not so hard as she seem. The truth is that I grabbed the opportunity from what she did to promote, to discuss an issue "change migrant's names" which I thing is important and useful to understand it.
My fillings to People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming are not bad, I understand her and I hope she could understand me too.
Nicky this things happen do not worry, it is OK. THANK YOU! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
For me is harder that you disagree with maternity leave than because NPeople Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming is a little bit hard with me.
Nicky REALLY I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL IMPROVE WOMEN'S POSITION IN OUR SOCIETY AND MAKE OUR COUNTRY BETTER, HAPPIER, FAIRER.
Nicky THANK YOU! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

Col Rouge
"Fathers are at work, doing it for their families" AHHAH!
If I did not know you I could think that you are a Muslim conservative.
Men for work, women for children and kitchen! You speak like my grandfather! He was very good person, he loved me and I have loved him but I had BIG, BIG problems when I discussed with him.
Very often he said me " I asked you for the goats and you answered to me for the horses!" You are real conservative.
Col Rouge, I seem hard but I am not, you are not the only one with these ideas, I DISAGREE WITH YOU and my worries is how to hide your text because if the women read it they would attacked you and THEY WILL HAVE RIGHT!
regards
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

ASymeonakis "Fathers are at work, doing it for their families" AHHAH!
If I did not know you I could think that you are a Muslim conservative."

I don't know what planet you live on but the one I am on, most fathers go to work for their families and do what is needed to ensure their children and wives are as well cared for as they can. Sometimes mothers work too but to your comment:

"If I did not know you I could think that you are a Muslim conservative."

I would suggest you show the real research statistics which prove your point, that the vast majority of fathers and husbands do different to what I have described.

I suggest supporting ones family by working for a living is the most common practice among the vast majority of male "Christians", "Atheists", "Agnostics", "Buddhists", "Hindus" and "druids" living in Australia, as well as "Muslims".

If you want to make smart arsed and humourless, snide comments about Muslims or the nature of or the accuracy of my views, I suggest you resist. I am quite able of responding with similar asides and will not hesitate to do so.

Now I demand you Justify your challenge to my view.

As to "I DISAGREE WITH YOU and my worries is how to hide your text because if the women read it they would attacked you and THEY WILL HAVE RIGHT!"

Your view to a females response to me is likewise, out with the pixies. Most women I know prefer this male with the strength to stand by his views, rather than behave like some sycophantic woosie who is just trying to ingratiate himself (btw Your brown nose is showing and we might have to call you "sniffer").

I will hide my views from no one and do not need your censorship.

"You are real conservative"

My Choice.

Conservativism is the practice of not running after rainbows. It has served me well and I will continue to tread cautiously, rather than going Ra-Ra for every ding-bat moron proposal that you or anyone else promotes.