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CARTHAGE must be destroyed... the birth of the NeoCons.

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Cato....no, not the Green Hornets spin kicking off-sider, but 'The Elder' in the Roman senate had a mantra.

"Carthage must be destroyed." Anyone wishing to make informed comment on this, should read the background here "Punic Wars"

http://history.boisestate.edu/WESTCIV/punicwar/

Read it? :) good..now you can comment.

Once Carthage had finally been reduced to "client of Rome" status when Hannibal was defeated, they were rather left to go their own way within strictly defined borders.

The bleeding hearts had learned nothing from the 1st or 2nd Punic wars which almost destroyed Rome, (hmmm echo's of WW1 and WW2?).. so they were happy for Carthage to carry on it's merry way...and it did, surpassing Rome in trade and commerce.
This annoyed Rome, and good ol Cato, predicted that they would indeed launch another anti Rome adventure, and of course in due course, they did. 3rd Punic war. (Kuwait?)

So..Cato frequented all the right cocktail parties and in every 2nd sentence added "by the way..Carthage must be destroyed"...

Eventually, it was, and from that day to this, no more 'Carthage problem'.

Cato the NeoCon, (I believe he was genetically connected to Oswald Mosely :)aah..

<<Although Hannibal never again actually threatened Rome,>> said the bleeding hearts "He's never been convicted of a crime" they said...

<<his memory did constantly. He became a monster, a cruel and crafty invader who was stopped only by epic courage and perseverance. It is a measure of the fear his name inspired that long after he was dead and gone,>>

OOoooyeah.. see how the NeoCons turned him into the international boogy man? Of course the 1st and 2nd Punic wars had nothing to do with this, nor the one battle during which more men were lost than any other in history..ever (Battle of Cannae) Nope..it was just Neocon hype and 'intolerant hate speech' :)

What do you think?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 4 May 2008 9:54:40 PM
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What?
Posted by Bugsy, Sunday, 4 May 2008 10:59:34 PM
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"Carthage must be destroyed."

And do you wonder why I keep refering to

"Carbon Tax - Socialism by Stealth"?
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 4 May 2008 11:41:33 PM
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Bugsy... *think* :)

Did you read the information? I doubt it.. very illuminating.

Learn from history, or.. die due to ignorance of it.

"There is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiasties)

Neocons.. Socialists...bleeding hearts... soft left.. hard right...hard left ...it's all there...
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 5 May 2008 6:24:50 AM
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David, I can see some parallel's betwenn you and Cato but much of the rest of what you have written has not come from the articles you refered to.

As I've pointed out elsewhere you owe a lot to the "bleeding hearts". Maybe a bit more time thinking about just what you owe them would help rather than constantly griping about those with more compassion than yourself.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 5 May 2008 7:12:56 AM
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Thanx Rob, yes.. I do identify a little with Cato... my spin kicks are getting better...oops..hang on.. getting confused there :)
No.. the difference between me and the Roman Cato is pretty simple. He advocated the literal physical and total destruction of Carthage.(for the reasons of the punic wars.. Hanibal.. who was clearly an excellent General, had fantastic intelligence(gathering) and used his resources to the max.
My goal is the ideological destruction of anything which takes people away from God, and towards that horrible place called hell.
Paul put it this way.
a)"eternally condemned" to those who preach a different gospel.
coupled with
b)"the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (i.e. not earthly,human, fleshly, military type..no..they are ideological)

The problem is.. if you allow an ideological "Carthage" to trade freely, and prosper, we will end up with the '3rd Punic war' on the cultural level. Note how it began.
Factors:
1/ Carthage was being raided by non Roman tribes who used the safety of the Rome imposed borders across which Cathaginians were forbidden to go. (Does Afghanistan come to mind?)
2/ They eventually got sick of being raided, and finally we had the Cronulla riots.. WOAH.. no.. not that sorry,slips we had the 3rd Punic war :)

THE BATTLE OF CANNAE... 85,000 Romans destroyed by around 40,000 Carthaginians.

I wonder if there is any brave soul out there, who can look at the various forces, tactical layout and marshalling by the 2 sides, and suggest why the Romans lost? (Note the topography, the river, troop deployment)

Is there any lesson in that for us today? If so..what? (besides 'institutionalize BD' :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 5 May 2008 9:25:44 AM
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