Extreme left and right alike are totalitarian, and their 12 o'clock position is opposed to the 6 o'clock of liberalism. I measured as a 4.30 Libertarian. But my freedom is the freedom to create and contribute, not the freedom to f oneself with drugs,for example.

To argue that liberalism should allow all 'victimless' activity does not gel with me. To my mind that is the left liberal position.(witness the recent debate had on OLO re prostitution; fine with me, but not my daughter).

Vanilla
who is Yin and yang?
About my description, I speak generally for lefts or rights, I did not write for specific persons.
Today I read on the BBC that the New Labour of UK is further to the right (whatever that means these days) than many alleged parties of the right in Europe. Less or more we have the same problem in Australia, some labors here are not left at all. In Europe even the most conservative parties support paid maternity leave for 14 weeks, in Australia even the Unions do not support it strongly, although the women are their main hope for new members.

CONTINUE.
6.Women left-right,
Silvio Berlouskoni, Italian prime minister, few months before in the election campaign, said that the right women are better than left one!
My grandfather said me that women love left men and marry the right one! I say from statistics that more women are left than right, more women are members and officers in left parties than in right parties. As I wrote in other thread most new members of the Union movement worldwide are women than men. All the governments (4?) with 50% men 50% women are left, as the Socialist Party of Spain, Zapatero etc.
The right women usually avoid the politics as in their environment women are more for home, children and kitchen than for political activities.
6. Migrants
Generally, worldwide, most migrants are left than right. In USA Cubans
prefer Republicans but all other migrants prefer mainly Democrats. In Europe most migrants are left (with social democrats) but in Germany a big part of the left migrants prefer Greens. The cooperation of Greens with Christian Democratic Party (right governing party) in the state of Hamburg last week will turn many of them to SPD. In Australia most migrants vote Labor, some like me prefer Labor for parliament and Greens for Senate.
Last years we see many migrants to turn to Liberal Party and I am sure much more was ready to support it but the hard nationalist policy of John Howard's government blocked them.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

palimpsest, so you are anti-prostition and anti-drugs. That is definitely from the right, and parts of the left. There is no way you can consider yourself anything but auhtoritarian.

Dear Vanilla.....

<<Cynical dismissal of other people's motives is always the intellectually lazy option. >>

Speaking about 'pearls' -hows that recliner feeling mate :)

R0bert you wrote that I " don't really understand the diversity in the so called "right".
I spoke very general about left and right and I understand very well -the diversity in the so called "right"-, in really we have a big diversity with lefts too.
Already I wrote that the New Labour of UK is further to the right (whatever that means these days) than many alleged parties of the right in Europe. in Australia, some labors are not left at all. In Europe even the most conservative parties support paid maternity leave for 14 weeks, in Australia even the Unions do not support it strongly, although the women are their main hope for new members.
Read the following :
-THE federal Liberal MP Petro Georgiou has rubbished the Government's planned citizenship test and has warned the party's principles of individual expression and social justice are threatened by a growing dominance of conservatives."The social justice constantly proclaimed by Menzies as one of the party's cornerstones has been forgotten by many members of the Liberal Party, and has been reviled by others," he said.
I respect Petro Georgiou and probably 99% I could vote him if he was in my area. I prefer honest and fair politicians than programs which most times are promotion tricks and nothing else. Petro Georgiou is much better from many MPs from ALP. There are left for justice and left for the chair. The lefts for justice are under threat of extinction! we know that as we know that all rights are not same.
REGARDS
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Vanilla: Cynical dismissal of other people's motives is always the intellectually lazy option.

Boazy: Speaking about 'pearls' -hows that recliner feeling mate :)

Vanilla: Sorry Boazy, the last half of the sentence was cut off. I should have read, "Cynical dismissal of other people's motives is always the intellectually lazy option — except when the cynical dismissal in question is applied to Boazy's motives, in which case your views are extremely valid and laudable and everyone agrees with you."

Sorry about the mix up.

Very comfy thanks.