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Lest We Forget

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Each has won a glorious grave - not that sepulchre of earth wherein they lie, but the living tomb of everlasting remembrance wherein their glory is enshrined. For the whole earth is the sepulchre of heroes. Monuments may rise and tablets be set up to them in their own land, but on far-off shores there is an abiding memorial that no pen or chisel has traced; it is graven not on stone or brass, but on the living hearts of humanity.
Take these men for your example. Like them, remember that prosperity can be only for the free, that freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.

Pericles. 495–429 BC.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

Laurence Binyon
Posted by StG, Thursday, 24 April 2008 9:04:25 AM
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Contemn! Nor the years CONTEMN!

Nothing is more cloying on ANZAC day than jingoistic, faux-American patriots putting their hands on their hearts and getting the words wrong.
Posted by Sancho, Thursday, 24 April 2008 11:03:19 AM
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Jingoistic. I feel like I've been saying this to other ignorant agenda driven twats all day. Actually, I have. But there's nothing Jingoistic about ANZAC day. The day is about the men and women in the 'mud'. Politics and propaganda, yours and theirs, don't have a place on this day.

Faux-American?. You're a clown with a funny red nose that's only good for laughing at. Now get back to your 9/11 conspiracy videos like a good boy. Actually, I hear an 'extraordinary rendition' plane with a truck load of cocaine crashed in Mexico. Go play with that.
Posted by StG, Thursday, 24 April 2008 11:32:21 AM
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By the way, 'clown with a funny red nose':

"The Ode: is it ‘condemn’ or ‘contemn’?

[...]

The issue raised by most letters is whether the last word of the second line should be ‘condemn’ or ‘contemn’. Contemn means to ‘despise or treat with disregard’, so both words fit the context.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.

DVA’s Commemorations Branch has been researching the poem and its background. [...] This poem was first published in The Times on 21 September 1914.

The Times shows ‘condemn’. Some people have suggested [it] was a typographical error. If it were, one would have expected then that the word would be correctly shown in The Winnowing Fan, published only a few months later and for which Binyon would have had galley proofs on which to mark amendments. Binyon was a highly educated man and very precise in his language and use of words. There is no doubt that had he intended ‘contemn’, then it would have been used.

[...]

The British Society of Authors, who are executors of the Binyon estate, says the word is definitely ‘condemn’, while the British Museum, where Binyon worked, says its memorial stone also shows ‘condemn’.

[...]

...Inquiries with the British, Canadian, and American Legions reveal that none has heard of the debate. Despite an exhaustive search by Commemorations Branch through Binyon’s published anthologies, no copy of the poem using ‘contemn’ was found. [...] Although inquiries are continuing, there now seems little prospect of finding anything to support even a little the ‘contemn’ claim.

In Australia, the Returned and Services League, in its League handbook, shows ‘condemn’, while a representative of the Australian War Memorial said it always uses ‘condemn’ in its ceremonies. So how did the confusion start? No-one knows, but certainly the question has been debated for many years. Surely now it’s time to put the matter to rest.

Information courtesy of DVA

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Posted by StG, Thursday, 24 April 2008 11:48:53 AM
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Contemn! Nor the years CONTEMN!

Nothing is more cloying on ANZAC day than jingoistic, faux-American patriots putting their hands on their hearts and getting the words wrong.
Posted by Sancho, Thursday, 24 April 2008 11:03:19 AM

Lmao. Pwnd.
Posted by StG, Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:00:58 PM
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"In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row..."
Liet.-Col. John McCrae, M.D.

Let us remember them. The words don't matter.
It's what's in our hearts that counts.
We owe them a debt we can never repay.

Bow our heads in silence and give them the honours due.

May they Rest In Peace!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:51:07 PM
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