Steel love to debate you on that issue, in another thread.
If I am to give my opinion to conservatives it will be what I truly think best serves them.
Do exactly what Rudd did, become inclusive yesterday Brendan Nelson was uncovered as the wrong man for the job.
We heard he told a group of bankers they should not be criticized for raising interest rates.
He reminded those who have lost homes that it was no fun for those who had to take them.
If it is true it still is childlike to say it, tell the kids living in some cases caravans to feel good about it.
See the fact is Nelson has directed his whole leadership and every act at winning voters he already has not winning lost ones back.
Why not plan to fix branches? a stranger in a north shore of Sydney one will not get in the door unless from the very right faction.
Why are subjects like climate change fuel prices water saving seen as ALP only?
Why is the Liberal party seen as the party of business not middle Australia?
Have the national party become part of the Liberal party but call it the country Liberal party.
Need for change is so very bad not one government in power but waiting for Labor to go stale is surrender.

Steel,

No one is interested in the far left anymore or its ideologies. They have shown themselves to be unmitigated failures everywhere they have ever been implemented.

Shows your contempt for the people ( and your ignorance )to suggest that we don't have the political parties we want. We undoubtedly do have the two parties we want broadly speaking.

Just look at the performances of the greens, the democrats and independents to see no-one is interested in the loony left anymore.

who said anything about far left? doesn't look like the far right is very unpopular either does it. Paul L. you need to drop that pastisan nonsense.

"Shows your contempt for the people ( and your ignorance )to suggest that we don't have the political parties we want. We undoubtedly do have the two parties we want broadly speaking."

You missed the entire point...Again your partisanship is blinding you a little bit. Most Australians support gay rights, for example and the current situation is clearly discriminatory yet both parties not only refused to take on the view but amended the constitution to make the discrimination law. That is just one example.

This is my point: What we have at the moment are two parties that are almost identical. They both trying to be each other.

Dear Steel,

Amazing ... you and my brother think alike. He also said,

"Why is it that if we made the members of both major political parties swap places, after two days no one would notice the difference?"

What does it mean?

There used to be major differences, what happened?

The major differences remain Foxy but are insidious.

At last year's Young Liberal Conference in Melbourne, young liberals voted for:

1. Unrestrained tobacco advertising

2. Nuclear power

3. Seniors ineligible for aged pension until the age of 70

4. Do nothing about climate change until there is absolute "conclusive" evidence.

These are some of the right wing ideologies on which the Liberal Party currently remain silent.

However, the State Labor Party in my state are appallingly inept and the bad days of WA Inc have re-emerged to reveal a Labor party which is heavily aligned with industry. The state government is intent on trashing WA's very fragile environment, having become sycophants to big business. The Liberal philosophy of unrestrained "Free Trade" is alive and well in the Labor Party.

Former State Labor Premier and gaol-bird Brian Burke has cost the WA taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars over the WA Inc scandal of the 80's and the current improprieties of politicians doing business with this man, who has plied his "trade" to get big business in the back door which has been to the serious detriment of WA's citizens.

Treasurer Eric Ripoff - sorry Ripper, has the ignominious title of WA's greediest treasurer ever.

It is no laughing matter (though some giggle through ignorance) when a community, so sickened by pollution, has resorted to employing Erin Brockovich to represent them in a case against a big polluter who is pumping it out, without restraint, while a state government is protecting the polluter and blatantly lying to its constituents.

So it's a case of damned if we do, damned if we don't. Nevertheless, Items 1-4 above should be heeded since these policies will be implemented if the Conservatives gain power.

Both parties are a disgrace, however, while citizens continue to criticise only from their arm-chairs, we must decide which party is the lesser of two evils.

Before we leave the threads intended path I highlight the rubbish conservatives are posting in our articles section.
Hammering Rudd and Labor with fear lies and untruths is like a flogging with a feather duster, nothing at all.
If we look truly look we will see such tactics clearly say voters can not think for themselves , like panicked sheep will flock back to conservatives not for food[ policy's] but in fear of the big bad wolf.
Policy's gentlemen not anything else.
Now back to the thread within a thread.
The very left has no product voters want to buy, ok even I want some of the things old Labor would give me.
But after so many failed elections and 2 term governments, after workchoices and 11 years of john Howard.
I want an ALP government that voters want.
It will take 3 terms to undo the last 11.
Can I ask readers to consider this? without Rudd, without a steady as she goes ALP we would have John Howard still in the lodge.
Do not fear my party at last saying we must hear the voters, and watch this country change for the better.
While very much left of center I will never forget that the very left is an anchor thrown overboard while the ALP ship is under full sail.