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Posted by Pericles, Monday, 23 October 2006 11:24:19 AM
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Pericles.. thanx.. but did you read the article following the heading ?
Surely you have some view on it... being English and all. I don't mind criticism, you know that. Your National Socialism theme is moot, because as I said to some other poster.. Hitler wanted to KILL the 'sub humans' as he saw (and made) them. I just want a better and more homogenous Australia through a broadening and INCLUSIVE genetic pool. Taurus... you made a very good point.. the black man DOES have heaps to teach us, and what better way to do that than through kinship relationships where there is overlapping between white and black ? Perhaps a very good START would be incorporating in our education system examples of exactly how we have stuffed things up (land use etc) and how the black fella approach was so much better ? This would go a long way to 'undemonizing' the black fella and raising respect for him in the whitefella community. My only criticism of people 'remaining black' is not the blackness, or the culture, it is simply the emphasis on 'difference' which seems ok on the surface, but as I have already pointed out, is a time bomb waiting for some smart English person like Pericles grandfathers generation to come along and use 'divide and rule' against all of us. Any seditious or power hungry group could exploit 2 things 1/ The differences. 2/ The grievances. just exactly as Nosy-t pointed out. Do you not agree that this is a potential problem ? If you agree, then do you have a workable and historically tested alternative ? I'm waiting with baited breath :) Simply 'saying' "We must all get along" has not to this point made it work. Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 23 October 2006 1:25:46 PM
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Whats the matter BOAZ..not the answer you were expecting from Pericles?
Im with him I have to say.. He is so spot on..and I hate to state the obvious...and so I wont. If you are a One Nation supporter and you have admitted it, then that speaks for itself..just as it has done for you. Posted by taurus29, Monday, 23 October 2006 2:42:15 PM
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Not too smart, bringing my grandfather into this discussion Boaz.
>>the emphasis on 'difference' which seems ok on the surface, but as I have already pointed out, is a time bomb waiting for some smart English person like Pericles grandfathers generation to come along and use 'divide and rule' against all of us.<< My grandfather, as I told you a while back, was a brownshirt and rallied with Oswald Mosley in the thirties. But the theme was not "divide and rule" for grandad, or many who marched with him, but "employment". You see, the 1930s recession bit particularly hard on the working class, and Mosley's tactic with them was to give their struggle some dignity, and get them to follow him. Grandpa Pericles gave little or no thought to the demonization that was going on; he just wanted a job. So, when you say: >>Your National Socialism theme is moot, because as I said to some other poster.. Hitler wanted to KILL the 'sub humans' as he saw (and made) them<< ... I assume you are suggesting that it was only the killing that gave National Socialism a bad name. Because I can assure you, grandad wasn't dressing up to kill anyone either. Does that make Mosley "OK" in your eyes? Does it make his "in loco Hitleris" stance acceptable to you? Perhaps you feel that he has been horribly misjudged by history? He certainly felt that way. The National Socialism theme, as you describe it, is far from "moot" in this situation, especially given your tendency to rabble-rouse a la Mosley at the drop of a shiny-peaked Waffen SS cap. The main issue I still have with your stance is that it doesn't allow people to be different. It might be the christian ideal, to have a homogenised society, all singing from the same hymnsheet (sorry!), but I happen to believe that it is diversity of ideas, opinions, cultures, ambitions, physical features, mental faculties and spiritualism that makes this world - and this country - an interesting, challenging, frustrating, exciting, demanding - and therefore tolerable - place to live. Posted by Pericles, Monday, 23 October 2006 6:28:19 PM
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Pericles, my reference to your grandad was purely generational.. not personal. I was alluding to the practice in the British Empire of captializing on ethnic divisions in colonial territories.
Taurus.. this is not about 'One Nation' the political party, its about a more homogenous society. Even if it WERE about 'One Nation' that would not matter. The point is the idea and its validity or lack thereof, no matter who holds it. Pericles has stated that diversity causes all kinds of good outcomes, and he is indeed right. But at the same time, can any of you seriously challenge the fundamental truth of diversity being easily exploitable ? and do you have a solution for this apart from simply wishful thinking ? I've made a case for 'Intermarraige and assimilation'. The responses should be "Yes, we agree and this is why" OR... "No, we disagree and here are the reasons" The reasons in either case should be open to challenge and we must avoid simply degenerating into a "ooh..ahhh you look like a One Nation supporter/Bash Boaz feeding frenzy. I expect to see more reasoning and justification or negation from here on. Please refer my last post and agree or disagree and give some relative weight to the expected positive/negative outcomes. Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 23 October 2006 8:22:37 PM
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Indeed, Pericles. Hear, hear!
I've noticed that Boaz's posts often express sentiments that are perilously close to those articulated by Mosley (and worse), but I don't often comment about them for fear of transgressing Godwin's Law. However, I'm not all that worried about that in this instance - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law :) I also agree with you and others about the utter necessity of diversity *within* our culture and society in order to sustain them both. Contrary to the views of the ethnic cleansers and assimilationists, I think that the kind of homogeneous, monochromatic society that some advocate is not only a manifest impossibility to achieve, but is undesirable in the extreme. I think it was Pericles who said above that it's all the little differences that make life worth living as individuals, and I'll add that diversity is the source of adaptation, innovation and invention. Vive la différence, I say! Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 23 October 2006 8:48:28 PM
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But the title of this piece "ONE NATION, ONE CULTURE, ONE RACE....." is just so-o-o-o-o reminiscent of:
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer"
The irony is just too delicious.
Where Boaz is trying to impose his values on a country in which his own history is relatively brief, the original Führer was trying to get rid of his exact equivalent - the parvenu - from Germany.
Exquisite.