BD, from your response, you're getting closer to understanding what I'm trying (albeit patiently) to move your thinking toward.

Just who are the members of the dominant community you speak of?

I think this dominant community is largely imagined because you don't know most of the members, have not met them.

Yet it seems that in your mind lives an image of your communion with them. To me this is a key component of whiteness - that is an ability to declare white privilege without ever declaring that it’s white privilege. Why? Perhaps because it’s unrealised and invisible to you.

But from this imagined position you assert a standard by which other forms of humanity have to be measured or included - or must have aspirations to become 'part of the dominant'. Isn't this assimilation into something that is largely imagined?

I.e., "Become one of us, but don't ask us how we became 'us' by dominating 'you'- other something like this.

If you can’t understand the full extent of your own white privilege how could you possibly understand its racist effects on people that are not?

To me your apparent authority lies in your owned presumed capacity to be able regulate standards of humanity in, and across, diverse social circumstances - in this case - for Aboriginal people.

Read my last post again.

BTW, Scot/Anglo are themselves not races. At least not in terms of old scientific theory that underpins most discussions here on OLO.

Sharkfin, it’s clear to me by your comments that you are still back in the 1950's or even earlier. Its time you became comfortable with discussing racism as a much more complex sociological phenomena than you credit it to be.

Get with it; until then you have you have nothing to offer me that I haven’t heard a million times over. Yawn!

FAir go Rainier, the Scots and the Anglos had a different language didn't they? They fought each other for years .
My wife's Scotish grandfather used to say to his family, "If I found out that I had any English blood in me, I'd let it out!!"
When I worked up in the kimberleys, Aboriginal neighbouring groups with different languages were not always mates .Difference was the problem in each case .The wars are thankfully won or lost on the Footie field now .
Difference is interesting,can be maintained, but NO one group , race, colour or creed is better than another .[kartiya]
PS.But the groups or races that are "battling" I believe, need a hand up .

Well said all

Ranier..... I don't really like the word 'dominant' and thats why I use the word 'predominant'.. as in.. an issue of numbers, nor quality or power.

True, the 'white' mob have the power, and the numbers, but I don't like to think of 'you becoming white' I prefer to think of us all becoming Australians, in a way that genetically reflects all our ethnic roots.

Whenever you go on about 'white privilege', you are demonstrating your entrenched insistence on remaining 'aboriginal' rather than "becoming" the Australian of tomorrow.

The problem with diversity is best illustrated by 2 things.

1/ History. The British ALways used the concept of 'Divide and Conquer' which is why they had the Maori collaborators do most of the killing of fellow maoris of different tribes.

2/ Iraq. Where we see the success of the insurgents in dividing the Sunni/Shia communities by attacking each in the name of the other.

Note the post by Nosy-t in another thread, he is an aboriginal, his words

"We've been peaceful in our approach to gaining rights but the radicals are gaining momumentum. Keep oppressing us Australia but eventually we will fight back like Australia has never seen."

Do you see that ? Thats 'difference'.... when there is any grievance between communities, specially 'systemic/institutionalized' types.. there is fertile ground for the emergence of radicalization and terrorism.

I'm quite tempted to submit Nosy's post to Asio and the Federal police, not to 'stomp' him, but so that his information might contribute to the overall intelligence picture of what is happening here. But I'd rather hear more from him if he is happy to contribute.

My worst fear is probably an alliance between radical Muslims and Radical Aboriginals who are attracted to the concept of Jihad, and possibly Islam with its '4 wives' and paradise scenarios

Bosie:

"I'm quite tempted to submit Nosy's post to Asio and the Federal police, not to 'stomp' him, but so that his information might contribute to the overall intelligence picture of what is happening here. But I'd rather hear more from him if he is happy to contribute."

You should probably submit some of your own posts, which contain thinly disguised exhortations to mob violence by "anglos" against Muslims. I think they are far more seditious than anything posted here by Aboriginal people.

"My worst fear is probably an alliance between radical Muslims and Radical Aboriginals who are attracted to the concept of Jihad, and possibly Islam with its '4 wives' and paradise scenarios"

Yeah, right. Beyond the posturing of our very own Muhammed Ali wannabe, I can't recall any evidence of such an 'alliance'. Your arguments are becoming steadily more unhinged. Get help.

Dear BOAZ_DAVID,
just in case you didn't notice, the thoughts expressed on OLO are offered in an atmosphere free of fear and threat from anyone -for the sake of the discussions, can we keep it that way? [kartiya] .

Rainer,
Racism is a complex sociological phenomena. What do you mean by that?. That’s just intellectual goobledygook.

The Aboriginal tribes and Muslim tribes don’t want to be told the real reason behind racial conflict because it puts some of the responsibility back on them and they like to keep these intellectual debates going so they can endlessly argue their victimhood .

The Aborigines had their land taken. Well who hasn’t in history?. My grandfather came from England and it was overrun many times. But the English didn’t sit around forever bemoaning their victimhood. They got on with it and made a successful life for themselves under whatever conquerors were in charge of their country.

Nobody handed me anything. When I got married we had nothing. Not a brass tack. We worked to get a home and security. It took the good part of a lifetime.
Even if you’re white noone gives you land and a house.

The Aborigines have free access to the education system. They use their victimhood as a constant excuse not to take responsibility. There are outstanding exceptions to this and I apologise to them. They were brutalized sure, but that was 2ooyears ago and its up to them now to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make a go of it.