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Easter... celebrating the sacrifice of a scapegoat

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Easy times... the Atheist Foundation of Australia is there to assist people suffering from bigots.

BOAZ_David: Are you threatening me? Is that legal in the state of Victoria? Execution is simply a diplomatic way of saying judicial murder, and that is what it was called in Australia during debates on ending capital punishment. If you feel insulted, vilified and held up to public contempt and ridicule, then perhaps you should take a hard look at what you believe. The fact remains that you celebrate not only the [judicial] murder of a man, but also his torture beforehand, because you believe his death makes it possible for your sins to be forgiven if you follow certain rituals. My intention wasn’t to insult, merely to point out to rational people the immorality of letting an innocent person take the blame for others. Personally, I prefer to take responsibility for myself and am prepared to accept the consequences of my actions in this, my one and only life. As for his Holiness Almighty God... which of the thousands of gods humans have worshipped are you referring to?
Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 10:31:26 AM
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Dear Peter.... I had a sneaking feeling my last post may have evoked a sense of 'offence/outrage' in your court:)

What I hope you will do, is join me in supporting a very serious amendment to the RRT2001 which DOES take 'Motive' into consideration.

Based on the transript from the CTF trial, and the various reasonings and points made by the judge, your first post is without question infringing on the act and would easily provide the basis of a successful complaint, to the EOHRC which could result in you having to fund Media apologies at a rather hefty bill.

You see.. you referred to previous activism during which time the RRT did not exist. But now..it does, and for me personally, (and a lot of others) I want it consigned to the rubbish bin of history as quickly as possible. I actually don't mind you having the freedom to ridicule the Almighty, the Lord Jesus, Christians and our faith. Because I also have the same freedom to mock (if I want) your own position.

I don't see the Atheist foundation as any kind of threat, I see it as a very happily received platform on which to proclaim the truth of Christ.

You did make a very important point. You suggested that if we wish to avoid the kind of mockery you perpetrated, we should look at our beliefs. *BINGO*... I totally agree. Now.. doesn't it strike you as rather 'odd' and unjust that I could speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth about err..lets say a 'high profile religious identity of times gone by'.. who has a rather large following, and YET..I could be jailed or fined some huge amount?

If I said 'so and so was a child molester, warlord, abuser and mutilator of captives' it would be aboslutely true of the person concerned. But in public, simply to 'annoy' people (as opposed to reasonable and robust public debate in good faith) then.. any of us could be in big legal trouble.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:04:42 AM
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Foxy; all the world is nuts,
And we are little squirrels
Hiding and frolicking in the trees, gathering to our chests
Our hatreds, hoarded and cherished,
Each chosen that we might yet seek fame.
Here the war-monger, spreading arms
And Hatred, mixing blood with tears
And spreading yet again abroad
His racist propaganda.
And this, the bigot, armed with swastika,
Five-pointed yellow star,
Or cross or crescent moon,
Risen high in firmament these his armament,
Crying Havoc, he fills the gap with his English dead.

Etc Etc Etc. Thank you Bill, deceased.
Couldn't help myself, nor can anyone else.
Have fun.
Posted by HenryVIII, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:08:41 AM
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Peter.. a couple of more points if I may.

You said:

<<My intention wasn’t to insult, merely to point out to rational people the immorality of letting an innocent person take the blame for others.>>

You just discovered the heinous nature of the RRT2001. 'my intention'..
i.e.. your motive.

Here is section 9 of the Act.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/s9.html

Motive and dominant ground irrelevant

9. Motive and dominant ground irrelevant

(1) In determining whether a person has contravened section 7 or 8, the person's motive in engaging in any conduct is irrelevant.

THIS...is as close as we get to Orwellian social control of dissent!

I don't care how long it takes.. or what I have to do, but trust me.. this WILL be changed.

Interestingly, the Melbourne Jewish community which lobbied FOR the act in teamwork with the Muslims.. used the act AGAINST the Muslims of ISSNA over jihadist books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_and_Religious_Tolerance_Act_2001

Final Point..on 'Easter'. You mentioned 'morality'.. I ask.. on what grounds.. objective grounds.. do you make ANY statement about 'morality' when your primary belief is, that there is nothing outside the material universe to believe in, including the existence of such a thing as 'morality? (if you don't see the irrationality of such a position.. maybe 'you' need to re-examine your beliefs.)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 11:15:06 AM
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Dear Henry VIII,

"War, he sung, is toil and trouble;
Honour but an empty bubble.
Never ending, still beginning,
Fighting still, and still destroying,
If all the world be worth the winning,
Think, oh think, it worth enjoying."

John Dryden, 'Alexander's Feast.'
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 12:57:41 PM
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Dear Peter,

When you and I are long forgotten years from now, they will still be talking about a man called Jesus.

His life has so greatly impacted the world that time is referenced from His birth.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 1:04:05 PM
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