Stevenlmeyer, I cannot better your opening post on this topic.

That is exactly the view I have.

Cj,every negative comment from you about me makes me more convinced that I am right.

As for your 'what else would we expect from someone who refers to the "Holohoax"?' What did that mean? And when you refer to the 'intellectual calibre of Holocaust deniers', at least I don't resort to calling anyone that I disagree with as 'dolt', knuckledragger' etc. So where does that leave you?

Incidentally, 30 years ago I believed in the Holohoax. I sought the truth and grew out of it as I had already done with religion. Am I a dolt for not believing in God? Or is that different as you are a self-proclaimed aithiest (and enthusiastic heterosexual, anal-sex promoting country bumpkin).

What is the difference between your 'decent education' and mine?

As you profess to have all the answers, I'm itching for your comeback.

Jack: "CJ, why would you defend my right to voice my beliefs when you ridicule me for doing so?"

So Jack, how do you define free speech? Is it, "everyone should be allowed to say what they like, as long as they're not poking fun at me"? Because, otherwise, ridicule is part of the package, I'm afraid. I loathe this politically correct view that free speech means being polite to people who hold idiotic views. In fact, it means exactly the opposite. Besides, you may not have CJ's wit, but you're not adverse to a bit of blunt-object fun-making yourself.

If you are going to quote from a conspiracy theorist who believes in UFOs, if you voice a presumptuous QED because you've found one Holocaust denier amongst the many thousands who have studied census records and other original sources for the last fifty years, if you think that CJ supports Islam because he pokes fun at Islamophobes, then you are not someone who, on face values at least, appears to value intellectual rigour, and you've got to expect ridicule. At least on a forum like this, when you're going to encounter smart people like CJ.

You've made it clear that you believe yourself something of a truth-seeker, and you've proudly asserted that you've "grown out" of believing in the holocaust. I'm pleased as punch you get so much self-satisfaction from burying your head in the sand. But if you expect anyone to take you seriously, you will, at some point, have to come up with something vaguely sensible.

Now, back to boyfriend, telly and white wine for moi.

Good old CJ :) grasping at a bit of a straw "Woo..I used to be the timetable monitor -err.. so I KNOW" :)

Yes dear CJ.. I appreciate the situation on fridays, and minimal classes etc. The bit about "uni's are businesses"...Hmm fair point I guess, so perhaps the question should be "Do we need customers like this"?

If the social impact of pandering to the religous idiosyncracies of this few students is worse than denying them the adjustment.. then why adjust?

But.. talk about trying to make a bloke choke.. you mention

<< University timetables routinely take into account Christian religious festivals like Easter and Christmas, not to mention Sundays.>>

O...k....but if you have 20 or 30 weird and wonderful religions all wanting things adjusted to 'their' times for prayer or sacrificing animals or what have you...then clearly.. and I mean CLEARLY there would be chaos. Of all people, you should know this.

Farrrr better to say "This is our timetable... come or don't come"

Otherwise you poor bugga... you'd be like the father and son and the donkey crossing the river.

You see young fella.. its easy when you speak about ONE group... aah..but multiply this.. next the witches will want it changed for the eclipse or each time the moon gets a pimple so they can all dance around naked etc...

Why DO they employ such dills as you there :)) haha.. ok.. you can remind me of that next time I say "But I don't attack people" 0_^

BACK to the topic.

I think we have covered it..

Wow,

Like topsy this thread just growed.

Thank you for your kind words ginx.

Foxy, Danielle,

You are both right. Thanks to the perfidy of leftie "intellectuals" Stalin's holocaust – and that's what it was – is less well known than Hitler's. So is the holocaust that Mao, that one time icon of radical chic, wrought in China. Of the trio of monsters that made the 20th Century so bloody it is arguable that Mao was the worst of the lot.

Lefties never learn. Having excused Stalin and Mao they are now in the forefront of those seeking to explain away or minimise the depredations of Islam. Even their arguments are retreads of the arguments used to defend the Soviet Union.

Many posters identify the Holocaust with World War 2. That is a mistake. WW2, like WW1, could have been fought without the death camps. The Holocaust was incidental to WW2.

It is more accurate to see the Holocaust as yet another episode in the persecution of European Jewry that spanned nearly two millennia. For this the Christian churches must be much of the blame. They drenched Europe in anti-Jewish hatred.

Consider, for example the fourth century "Saint" Chrysostom's 8 "Homilies against the Jews."

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/chrysostom-jews6.html

"Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter."

Can't get much more explicit than that!

Here's what Martin Luther had to say about Jews:

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

Some advice on how to handle the "Jewish menace."

"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, …."

"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."

"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb."

"But if the authorities are reluctant to use force and restrain the Jews' devilish wantonness, the latter should, as we said, be expelled from the country…"

Dear Steven,

Thank you for understanding. I admit I have personal reasons for wanting the history of Stalin's atrocities to be taught. My father's family suffered brutally under the hands of the NKVD (now KGB).
I won't go into the horrific details - but none of them survived.

Some died with their entire families, others accepted their fates in concentration camps.

The evil architects themselves - escaped retribution, by dying. Others were never brought to justice.

While half of the criminals, the Nazis, have been pursued all over the world for their crimes, the other half, the communist criminals, were allowed to go free.

They were, in effect, given tacit permission to continue the operation of their concentration camps, to expand their draconian systems to include psychiatric wards, thereby raising torture, suppression, and murder to a science. The fact that the process persisted was vividly disclosed to the free world by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in his book, "The Gulag Archepelago."

The memories of those who perished at the hands of Hitler and Stalin during World War II are not revered by being forgotten. It does not honor those who suffered and died to only teach half of what happened.

We must remind all people to ensure that it does not happen again. Other wise like so many in the past, our society will be swept on the ash heap of history.