Gibo: "I found him generally unteachable because he doesnt listen."

Ain't that the truth

ROFL

Gibo: "TRTL and CJ Morgan are just scally-wags and stirrers who mock many things. Recalcitrants."

The last time I was called such names was many years ago in high school, by a particularly odious headmaster whom I had somehow upset.

Thanks for the memories, Gibo :)

Gibo - "But dont urinate on my life knowledge."

You seem fairly happy to do this to the "life knowledge" of those who don't share your particular views.

Likewise keen to dismiss the views of those who don't agree with you as stiring rather than considered views.

From what I've seen of the christain church much of it "sort of believes" in demons but most don't believe that they are part of everyday life for most people. Few would believe that demons would be smothering or biting (both physical activities) human beings, most would think if there were physical manifestations that would be against those who have specifically opened themselves up to such manifestations.

I happen to agree that Philo's interpretation is more consistant with the overall teachings in the bible although a little less marketable for those who want their faith to be more exciting.

I've often disagreed with Philo (generally quite strongly) but on the whole Philo seems much less likely to dismiss his opponents out of hand than you do Gibo. "I found him generally unteachable because he doesnt listen. " - perhaps you could look at the plank in your own eye before being to focussed on the speck in Philo's eye when it comes to not listening.

Fractelle, "However, don't get Philo started on evolution, stem cell research, homosexuality, female reproductive rights - where is the christian who will pull him up then?" - spot on except for Foxy who is the light on the hill of OLO's known christian posters.

R0bert

The thing RObert is that there are many manipulators on this site, the second half of TRTL's very title shows him at it.
"...will reasonable christians renounce it".
Whats that if not manipulation?
Manipulation is a form of witchcraft.
Dont join these guys... if its not too late already.
Quite a few dislike Christians and show it clearly.
This, of course, is because we Christians have admitted that we are sinners and have gone on with Jesus to find far more hope, than the others who dont. The ousiders will always wonder what is going to happen after death...we Christians dont. Its really a great Peace.

Gibo

What will happen after I die will be exactly the same as before I was born - think about it.

R0bert
I am sure the inimitable Foxy can speak for herself, what a shame there is only one of her on OLO.

I've had two compoters hit by power surges in the past week - obviously there are demons. I call it lightning strikes, that I attribute to the nature of creation. So I have just got back online with a new computer.

Mental depression, bipolar and intellectual oppression in Gibo's definition are what he defines as demons. Both states are not identified by the views held by the pagan world of Jesus day of demons being viewed as spirit beings controlling human behaviour. Most persons in NT times viewed demons as the deceased spirits of evil persons who returned to inhabit the bodies of the living. In Greek thought a demon as a lesser god in a panthion of gods. A good read and understanding of Colossians dispels such views of lesser being controlling human behaviour.

Gibo's demons are states of the human mind that are affected by fear, immagination, chemical imbalance, or supressed guilt.