I hope that the Forum Administrator will allow me to say farewell to you all. I'm leaving the Forum for a while due to health reasons.
I don't know when (or if) I'll be back, but I just want to Thank-You all for making my time here with you so much fun.

It's helped me a great deal and I wish you All The Best. I'll certainly miss our discussions so very much.

Keep smiling,

and

Keep posting.

Be Kind To Each Other.

No Foxy! Say it ain't so!

You are, without reservation, the nicest person who posts on these boards. Your family must be very lucky to have you. You will be *sorely* missed here, and I hope you come back.

Till then, I wish you all the very, very best in combating and defeating your illness. Know that you have touched many people with your quiet, unassuming wisdom. You contribution to OLO reminds me of this poem, one of my favourites:

Saint Francis And The Birds, by Seamus Heaney

When Francis preached love to the birds
They listened, fluttered, throttled up
Into the blue like a flock of words

Released for fun from his holy lips.
Then wheeled back, whirred about his head,
Pirouetted on brothers’ capes.

Danced on the wing, for sheer joy played
And sang, like images took flight.
Which was the best poem Francis made,

His argument true, his tone light.

I agree with Vanilla, Foxy, you are a very fair and generous contributor and probably one of the few who hasn't managed to ruffle anyone else's feathers at some time or other.

I'm very sorry to hear of your illness and can only assume it to be serious if you are not going to be able to post on OLO. All the best and I do hope to see you back again before too long.

You once welcomed me back after I'd been away from posting for a while. I never thanked you at the time as I should have but I did appreciate it. Hopefully I can return the favour soon!

Take care.

Foxy, as a spiritualist,rebirth kind of guy- kick ass giiiirlll, the future is in our hands now

Please come back soon Foxy. We will be impoverished without you.

Good luck with your health - you are clearly strong in personality and pure of heart, so I reckon your chances are good.

I still think I love you :)

FOXY YOU ARE VERY GOOD PERSON! I AM VERY SORRY. I AM VERY SORRY!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Foxy

For you, when you have a quiet moment from pale=

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~kday/thoughtsandpoems.html#Dont%20Quit

Hope to see you back after a good rest Foxy you have brought us yet another miracle,
We`v just discovered CJ Morgan has a heart:)

That's just so pathetic, PALE&IF. If you want to have a go at me, please do it on another thread.

CJ Morgan

It was simple somthing to make Foxy smile.

The lady has a fantasic sense of humour amounst a great deal more.

No offence meant and most certainly wouldnt intend to offend on 'this thread.

Hey Foxy, how about au revoir instead.

Best wishes

If we only had ten Foxys, well just you would do.
Strength and happiness go with you.

Sorry to hear of your health Foxy. Though we see things differently you have been gracious and I pray you get well.

Foxy,

Your OLO posts: I have watched and you have made me think outside my comfort zone.
Thankyou and best wishes.

Farewell Foxy. It's been a pleasure and you've demonstrated the finest examples of both fortitude and restraint to be seen in these forums.

Foxy

Your heart is true and I anticipate your welcome return to these pages.

Foxy,

May I please express my selfish thoughts: I don't want you to go! Your contributions to this forum brings heart and soul to issues- a voice of reason. You have a delightful and quirky sense of humor that has brought many a laugh. You have a great capacity for compassion and understanding. In short, I admire you.

I pray you overcome your illness. Your OLO family are right behind you. Stay strong. Its not goodbye- its see ya later.

With the greatest respect

TammyJo

Hi Foxy

Get well soon, we will all miss you. I don't often comment, but do read lots of posts.

You will get many more posts after me, but can I say for those posts above me -

The magic of the ring -

The ring is a circle - it has no beginning, it has no end.

So are your "special" circle of friends Foxy, there was no beginning, there is no end to our friendship.

We say - not goodby, but "until we see you again on these pages" take care and get well quick

Thank you Forum Administrator for permitting us to give Foxy a "high five mate" - goooooo girl and hurry back to us.

Had begun to hope: you were still contributing so robustly with no gaps in between. Instead of using this space to rage and rail as I'm sure I would have done, it's been a place in which you have reached out and touched so many people and brought meaningful communication - surely one of the great purposes of every life.

For that reason I expect I don't really need to tell you, in the words of one particular son to his father "Do not go gentle into that good night..." . You will do it in your own inimical way. And whichever decisions you make will be the right ones.

From the place in my heart where all that is good and meaningful and powerful resides, I say "Seeya, girl." Knowing that, having been touched by you, its true. One way or another.

Foxy, my friend you will be missed greatly. Your presence on the forum has been a delight. Your honest and courage have been so refreshing.

I hope you resolve your health issues soon and remember us if you get to a point again where these discussions would be good for you.

By for now
R0bert

All the very best Foxy, your posts are always a pleasure to read, I hope we will be lucky enough to read many more of them in the not too distant future.

Get well soon.

Hi Foxy..and I also share the warm sentiments expressed here.

Health challenges are always a struggle.. and I hope, pray you have family who can strengthen you during this time.

Never being backward about offering Scripture.. and you also happy to share from the Good Book to me from time to time, I think the most appropriate at this time for you is:

Phil4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

.... for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13I can do everything through him who gives me strength.

Let His strength be your strength Foxy, and may His love shine on and in and through you from now and forever.
blessings
BD

It would have to be the first time I have agreed with Boaz-David's comments.

He has a heart beating within.

My sincere luv and best wishes to you Foxy, get well soon.

Foxy! Some are the quality, and some are the best! And this is what you are my friend. OLO is what it is, just opinion!

You get well, and bring your precious mind back too us.

From evolution and family, all the best.

All the best Foxy, I wish you a speedy recovery.

If you miss us, you might just have to use a
laptop and mobile connection :)

We'll sure miss you and your posts.

take care now...

FOXY, Love your posts, comes from the heart, we all recognise that and feel you, I feel sure you will be back some day soon.

I knew David wouldnt beable to resist a quote ans same I leave you with spelling mistakes.

All the best babe.

Scotty xo

Foxy,
So sad to hear of the circumstances of your departure.

Thanks for your patience and polite, reasoned responses to so many of our rantings.(And for agreeing with me at least twice).

You can say that you're leaving but I don't HAVE to believe it and look forward to hearing from you again.

Meanwhile, take my best wishes and hopes for the future with you.

Love and kind thoughts.

Foxy

Good fortune. We'll miss your sweet voice of reason.

Foxy:
Yes!....you will be missed and I am sure that we ALL wish you a very speedy recovery with whatever your health problem may be!

Your posts were very humanitarian and you have always been consistent in your many posts on this Forum!

I hope that your absence from this Forum will be as brief as possible and "the great overseer" will return you to us to carry on your outstanding work!

I myself will be taking a short respite from the Forum due to a simple Total Hip and Knee replacement, which should incapacitate me for only a few days,.....hopefully!

There are plenty of you educated people out there to "keep the home fires burning!"......so keep up the good work until we both return to add our little contributions

good luck foxy and put up one hell of a fight.Haygirl

My sympathy and best wishes as well Foxy. It's amazing how deep some of our attachments can get in forums like this, and surprising how keenly we feel the loss. You're one of the special ones.

Good luck.

Foxy, I hope everything goes well for you.

If I could attach a song, I would have sent you 'The Old Boys' by Runrig. If you can find it, you'll know what I mean.

Foxy
May you receive the light-ball of love, hovering above you in your hour of greatest need, into your heart.GET WELL!!

I wish you well Foxy.Dave Allen an ex catholic and comedian used to say,"May your God go with you," at the end of his skits,which I found a bit ironic.

Foxy,"May your God be with you".

All the best Foxy.

All the best foxy and let us know how you get on.

Fyxe,fixen,vixen
We dont allow apostasy from OLO.
We'll hear from you again when you get well
(sssh! failure is not an option).
Until then, a long, warm (cyber) HUG & best wishes.

Dear Foxy,

All OLO will be impoverished by your absence - your kindness, honesty and gentleness
has always shone through.

Everyone above has said what needs to be said ... I cannot improve on their comments.
However, you are a very strong person and we hope and pray that we will see your writing here again, and soon.

Get well, Foxy ... our thoughts are with you.

As our Friend Foxy fights her fight this thread speaks of the respect we have for her.
I think many are thinking in quite moments too of her and hoping that fight is one she and us will win.

Dear Foxy
I too would like to wish you well, and especially with your illness. I really, really hope we see you back with us soon.
Take care of yourself. I know I'll be thinking of you when I am logged into OLO.
Nicky.

Hello Everybody,

I'm back! I've won the fight! The diagnosis is good - and I am on the road to recovery.

Before I go any further, I just want to Thank You, one and all, for your overwhelming support, kind words, and love. It covered me with
warmth at a time when I badly needed it - like a soft winter blanket.
You gave me strength - and all I can humbly say, from the bottom of my heart - THANK YOU!

I've missed our discussions. But they will definitely continue.
I've now got access to a computer.
Again, Thank-You!

Hooray!

What wonderful double news! Your health on track- fantastic! And you're back!! Pop open the champers!

Foxy,

Wonderful, wonderful news - not only for you, Foxy, but for us OLO as well.

Welcome Back!

I know this will not win friends. But I have been puzzled by it, so I WILL ask the question...

Foxy, you said a sad farewell to everyone on the 1st of this month, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed that you never really left. You have been online here several times in the last thirteen days....

The kindness that many showed at your departure is a good measure of the kindness we DO still have in our society.
I did not participate in it though, because this scenario is all too familiar.....(No, not me, but it HAS been done on other forums).

Say a sad farewell to a forum, and then keep logging on to see what posters think about you! Then suddenly all's well, and back you come!

It's the cake and eat it thing;-the capacity to attend one's funeral to see who attends.

With all due respect, your goodbye because of ill-health lasted 13 days!

Can you tell me what was REALLY behind this?

(Don't go all shirty on me people, I can't be the only one who noticed this).

Dear Ginx,

I was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago. It has been an ongoing battle. This time I had to have more surgery. My family has kept me up to date with all the comments on this site - because they know how important this Forum is to me.

I did not expect to be back. The surgery was a success - whether it comes back again - only time will tell.

Thank you for your concern Ginx.

"Thank you for your concern Ginx." (Quote: Foxy).

Your sarcasm is unnecessary.

I am currently in remission. But I have lived for years with various bits of my person being cut away,(from inside).

It takes months to recover from this surgery, so I admire your capacity to spring back so quickly, and as I said, not really be absent from the forum.

DON'T try to emotionally blackmail me. Cancer is my nemesis;- but I will face the bugger down and stall it for as long as I can.

(I did not just invent this story btw; I ended up discussing this on another forum, and became increasingly uncomfortable about doing so and left. It is part of my life, not my posts).

Dear Ginx,

I'm not being sarcastic - or trying to put you down in any way.
I'm sorry if what is happening to me does not suit your agenda - or understanding of how things should be. I can only tell you how it is with me. And as for my using 'emotional blackmail' as you put it - why would I? I don't know you at all and besides - I had assumed you would be supportive and understanding - as you had always been in the past.

When I started this thread I was in a very emotional state - my tumour had returned with a vengenance. It was like being given a death sentence. I honestly believed that I was not coming back.

That's why my family kept me informed with what was happening on the Forum. They wanted to cheer my up. I was given copies of all the comments.

My husband and son got quite interested in the various topics - and now it seems that they're going to join up as members.

Anyway - Ginx - I'm sorry if you feel that I've somehow let you down.
I'm also sorry to hear that you've got cancer as well. I didn't know that. But you must realize that it's not over for me yet.
Not by a long shot.

But, as you said - I too will not give up without a fight. My diagnosis is good this time. They feel they've got it all - we'll wait and see.

You're right about it taking a long time to get over an operation - my last one took close to two years. Psychologically - I still have
nightmares.

Cheers.

Come on ginx! if I was in hospital and asked my family to log on and see how the thread was going on my PC who would it say was on line?
Foxy great news we here in this forum have lost great posters to cancer we will do that again.
But you reward us all every one of us with your victory.
This thread put Christians and non believers, left and right together you did that.
The high regard we have for you did that
Ginx each of us fight a battle we in time will not win, my thoughts and wishes go to you too while battles are sometimes lost you will never be defeated.
Regards.

"I'm not being sarcastic - or trying to put you down in any way.
I'm sorry if what is happening to me does not suit your agenda - or understanding of how things should be. I can only tell you how it is with me. And as for my using 'emotional blackmail' as you put it - why would I? I don't know you at all and besides - I had assumed you would be supportive and understanding - as you had always been in the past." (Foxy).

'I'm sorry if what is happening to me >does not suit your agenda'<..

That IS sarcastic. I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying be honest about it.

>'...understanding of how things can be'<

Oh, I understand Foxy, and it's tumours too. I am a tumour farmer. I crop them. I have a whopper currently just above my right knee. I call him Humpty Lumpty;- he is a good lad;- because this one is benign.

>I had assumed you would be supportive and understanding-as you always had been in the past'<

You have received a lot of positive feedback, one from me. But I WILL speak as I find. And I do find that you are a little preoccupied with image, and clearly have come to expect it.

This is a forum. People hold different opinions. It is btw, an 'open' forum, viz - one need only come onto the site to read the posts. Registered members are the only ones who can log in, and their tags as a consequence show on the main forum page.

It is unfortunate that I disturbed the love-in, but I still question a fairly heartfelt goodbye that lasted all of thirteen days, with you user name repeatedly showing, when to keep you updated would have only necessitated getting here and taking a look!

I won't resile from that

Sorry Belly, our posts were too close together, so I didn't make reference to yours.

The only reference I will make is to refer you to my previous post.

When caught up in this kind of scenario it is all too easy and predictable for someone who posted what I did to sound heartless. After all I am a strongly opinionated poster aren't I?; and I have posted a negative comment about a poster that is popular and posts in a more restrained manner.

Did you really think that I DIDN'T know how I would appear?
I'm waiting for someone to accuse me of jealousy!!

I have hardly posted on OLO in a manner that seeks to mollycoddle, so I think not!

What I hope for in these days of Freedom of Speech (remember that?), is NOT to be supported-,(who has the guts nowadays to question against the tide.Do you TOO want to look like the bad guy?!),-just induce a food for thought. That's all.

And I don't regret it.

Dear Ginx,

I can see that you are upset. I can also see that nothing that I say will convince you over something that you have made your mind up about.

I am being honest. Both my husband and my son have access to the Forum
through my I.D.

It's going to take about six weeks for me to recover - I have a great deal of home help - and then in for more tests.

Anyway, I hope that you keep up your fight and I wish you well.
Don't allow negativity to take you over.

All The Best Ginx.

Ginx, you seem to think you've done something really brave and controversial by asking Foxy why her illness was so quick. I really don't think so. It was a fair question - I also thought Foxy's illness and recovery was quick, so I'm glad you asked it and she got a chance to reply. She has replied. Her explanation sounds entirely plausible to me - if I were recuperating from an illness, I'd be surfing the internet too. Her husband and son logged in. Even if Foxy logged in, what would it matter? She could conceivably be too sick to post but want to check in every now and then to distract herself.

You're free to believe or not believe her. From Foxy's tone, I get the feeling that her recent experience with something so formidable as cancer has made her even more sanguine than she usually is, and she doesn't seem too bothered whether you believe her or not.

I don't think other posters are that bothered either. I don't think it's a matter of other people not having the guts to agree with you. I think most posters are probably pretty prepared to believe Foxy, but also respect your right not to believe her. We all play our roles on these boards. For all I know, Foxy is a sixteen-year-old boy who's had nothing more serious than jock itch and you're the Queen of England. But you both ring true to me so I choose to take you both on faith.

So well done on speaking your mind, but I'm not sure this was the biggie you think it was.

Hi guys
Surely it's not about who is having the worst battle with cancer! Let's all wish those with such fearful health issues well, and move on!
Nicky.

I just want to say that I'm utterly delighted that Foxy is back with us :D

Sorry, but any other reaction is shite. No offence intended to anyone.

Welcome back Foxy.

Like Vanilla, I consider the possibility that some posters could be far from genuine and be creating entirely fantasial personas on this forum. But you certainly seem to be totally genuine.

I wish you a quick recovery. I hope that I don’t ever have to face that sort of thing.

Ginx, you and I have had a pretty terrible falling out on this forum. That’s regrettable. I now appreciate that you too have some pretty significant health issues.

I wish you all the best with them.

Yes I'd like to welcome you back too Foxy!

I hadn't checked the General Discussions for a while so didn't realise the good news.

May you long continue to seek out the good in all our posts!

Welcome back Foxy. Congratulations on your marathon

So what~s your first thread going to be about?

Looking forward to getting back to work with you young lady.

Don’t keep us waiting too long .

Hey Guys -when people are sick or plain tired things become too much for them.

It takes energy to think and you’ve lost your spark and you feel just too dog darn tired to be bothered.

I would say that that’s what happened to Foxy especially having to go and have an operation to fight for your life.

I had noticed well before Foxy left a change in pattern of her posting. Foxy would upon threads on Muslim and Muslim topics and than not post there for ages and ignore her own thread.

I noticed your last post Foxy on that thread - read cheers before your tag signed off and was pretty sure that meant you were leaving.

We saw this before you left Foxy and thought you unwell and understood some topics just take too much for you because at times we do get upset and thats the last thing you need if your ill.

We were surprised in truth when you ignored our request to baby sit the RSPCA thread but put it down to same.

Ginx “also has demonstrated a deep sense of bravery”

Its not the first time Ginx has gone outside here comfort zone to speak out about something even if its wasn’t popular.

I don’t think we should be doing anything other than being really thankful we have both of these people posting on this form showing courage every day.

So we would like to say Foxy Ginx we are glad to have you ‘both’ and good luck to both with your battle against Cancer.

Something for everyone-

http://www.netpoets.com/poems/cyberfriend/

This is a request from me - to anybody else who may want to post on this thread - please don't.

Please, could we give this thread the boot?

I've been giving a lot of thought to what Ginx has said, and I feel ashamed. She's right. I have been selfish and self-centred. In retrospect, - I should have kept this matter private, (as she did) I deeply regret for getting any of you involved.

There is no "instant cure" for cancer.

Thanks to all of your for your understanding - but as Ginx said,
this is a part of my life - it should not have been a part of my posts.

Ginx, I apologise to you from the bottom of my heart - for making the emphasis on me - and behaving inappropriately, as if I'm the only one
who's got a problem.

Again, I wish you All The Best.

Can't do Foxy, sorry. Won't do that.

"I can see that you are upset.
"Don't allow negativity to take you over."

Neither is true.

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Vanilla: You can keep your "well done". Everything from your first line on, is a calculated putdown.

CJ: 'Anyone' is replying to you;- no offence taken.

PALEIF: You lot are full of surprises! Thank-you. Sincerely.
(Psst! We'll clash again; but you know that don't you?!!)

Ludders: It takes a lot to move me, but you got to the swinging brick of a heart. My heartfelt thanks for your comments.
(See above brackets!)

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Cuphandle: YOU I owe an apology. I read over all the posts on this thread and did not acknowledge your hip replacement op. I hope you are up and skateboarding with the best of them. All the best kiddo!

Vanilla: You can keep your "well done". Everything from your first line on, is a calculated putdown.

What the? I'm happy to keep my well done, but you overestimate my ratlike cunning if you think that was a "calculated putdown". I was being bolshie, but I didn't mean to be insulting.

All I'm saying is I'm glad you asked the question - I wondered about the rapidity of Foxy's illness too - but that I don't think asking it was as controversial as you seemed to think. Indeed, it wasn't.

I am genuinely sorry I bugged you, but.

Is something else going on here that everyone about knows except me?

Although very selective on topics, I finally couldn't resist peeking in this thread because its rather unusual GOODBYE theme caught my attention a few times earlier.

Wow... Ginx can be so incisive, but quite accurate.

But what strikes me most, is a sense of OLO community expressed here, as if some people would try to get an earlier discharge from hospital if possible, just to get back here.

I have always wondered how many people actually visit each day.

Now raise your hand everyone and start counting...

( I don't trust "Users Currently Online" either. If that is a true reflection, then readership is very poor, I thought)

Foxy- yes I agree with you that this thread needs to end. However, I do not agree with you that you should not have started in the first place.

I've worked with patients with Ca and everyone deals with the challanges of it differently. Your initial plan was to focus solely on the events that were coming up- such as your surgery. Everything else takes a back seat. You were not in possession of the facts and outcome of your medical situation at the time of starting this thread.

You made a very human decision to put certain things in your life on hold- and OLO was simply one of them. You spoke from a pure place and shared the importance the OLO forum has in your life. I see nothing wrong with this. So please do not apologize for anything you said or did.

If the comments you recieved from OLO posters gave you comfort and strength then it can only be a good thing.

Ginx- I am sure without a doubt the same support would be shown towards you should you have posted something similiar- I don't understand what you wanted to accomplish by casting doubt or suspicion on the motivations of Foxy posting this thread. Nevertheless- lets move on and move forward.

Ginx- I am sure without a doubt the same support would be shown towards you should you have posted something similiar- I don't understand what you wanted to accomplish by casting doubt or suspicion on the motivations of Foxy posting this thread. Nevertheless- lets move on and move forward.
Posted by TammyJo, Friday, 14 March 2008 3:52:56 PM

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Agreed. You don't understand.

NOW can we move on and move forward?

A tad prickly today Ginx? Isn't it wonderful that all is back to normal again! NOW we can move forward.

Well, well, well!

It took just ONE post TO YOU-as a RESPONSE to your unnecessary post, to get that bitchy little retort.

I'm happy with 'prickly', over silly female cattiness anyday.

Do you feel some sense of pride in taking up the cudgels?

Then let's talk.

And who is calling the kettle black? I'm going to take the high road and end this here and now.

It may be unwise I should slink away without comment but no it must be said.
Foxy you have nothing to be ashamed of, your family did what mine would do logged in and read the posts.
So many of us, like it or not like this page and the part it plays in our life.
Yes one poster said our persona may be manufactured for this site, well in truth every single one of us has manufactured the face we show the world, every one of us.
From within some people, every one of us if you look hard enough a light shines, the real us.
You are such a person you look for the best in us and your self, having been very close to death I remember that glow, that understanding that life is too short but too wonderful to ignore the whole thing.
We posted our concern for you and us ,the thought we could not share more with you.
Now my Friend Ginx, not just here but in all your recent posts you have let insults speak not you.
I have true concern for you and your fight but my friend please review your anger
Remember far better to be a Wit than a Twit.

ONE>

Now my Friend Ginx, not just here but in all your recent posts you have let insults speak not you.
I have true concern for you and your fight but my friend please review your anger
Remember far better to be a Wit than a Twit.

Posted by Belly, Saturday, 15 March 2008 6:08:50 AM
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You just couldn't leave it alone can you?

I would have let this go after TJ's last comment, but you had to have your say didn't you Belly?

Not just a comment to Foxy, but a little benevolent 'counselling' to me.

SO? what do I do? Not respond and have you feel that your message has shown me the error of my ways? ...!!

OR? respond and prove that you were right all along?

What a dilemma!,....but you can see my decision.

It is based on the principal of: 'if you skate on thin ice you may as well tap dance'!

I wish you no offence. Truly. But I am NOT your friend, I don't know you and vicver ; you use such terminology to soften the message....

The pack mentality-,(not all, but some)-,is to pick up on any negativity and run with it. So I'm getting a lot of this at the moment.(Boy! I would like to say more but I can't.)

Let's see; downstairs has just referred to me as having PMT. I have been called prickly,...what else? do please fill in the gaps.

OLO is a forum of strong and intelligent minds;- all of those minds have sometimes widely differing views. Those views at any one time on OLO are expressed with fervour, contempt, venom, etc.,

TWO>

At any one time on this forum, discussions are taking place that incur exchanges in the strongest possible manner. In point of fact the majority of a diverse range of topics engender a MAJORITY of VERY strong exchanges.

It's the nature of this beast. Look around you Belly, strong minds on strong topics with strong views are occurring here...., right now.

SO...............? what are we REALLY talking about with regard to MY attitude?

I AM A WOMAN. That IS why!

Females (yes; and some blokes), on OLO have put up a strong and spirited defence of the female position in society. Yet:- on BOTH sides of the sexes, that goes straight down the toilet when there is a chance to join the bandwagon, and start the routine of questioning the strength of my approach.

(You understand don't you, that this is in response to your comment to my so-called aggression ONLY).

Here is a way to have a go at me! (Yes I know, not all).

I am responding.

______________________

What total and utter hypocrisy this is!

What 'place' would you put me in Belly? Yobby has already regaled us with his 'hunter gatherer' theory. BOZO has referred to 'feminine, soft'...whatever. And IF a woman wants to be all these things: a homemaker, submissive (of her own volition), etc., That's fine. Liberation is in choice.

I have never adhered to 'what I should be' ( though my two professional careers are renowned for discipline and adherence to strict codes of behaviour. Ah ha!!; that's it. That's why!) ; I will be who I am, and if that offends the gender sensitivities of any of you:- bloody hard luck!

If anyone here seeks to ameliorate the 'anger' of posters on OLO, you are going to be spoiled for choice, aren't you

(I would have posted this with the others but 'FoS' prevented me from doing so!!)

THREE>

"..........may I ask that you look at Ginx recent posting history all threads?"
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 15 March 2008 5:54:51 AM

ALL THREADS?? It grows like Topsy doesn't it?

.....and alas and alack!.......................THIS post at 5.54am. Your post in 'ONE',-where I'm your friend-......?-at 6.08am!

.....................friendship ain't wot it useta be is it?. But hypocrisy is thriving....

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Are we finished now?

Well what can I say after reading this thread and "tone."

Welcome back Foxy - may you continue the fight and grow strong.

Ginx - I do hope you continue your battle in fighting the beast also.

I won't fire Ginx up further as I certainly believe she is fired up enough already for a Sunday.

May God continue to look after you, as day by day both of you get stronger.

I wish continued happy and brighter lives for you both in the future.

This thread has caught my attention again, partly because of its GOODBYE title, and because it's still alive and kicking.

People are different and some people are never going to see eye to eye.
You may never change the thinkings of someone you directly debate with, partly because real changes come from within, and real changes require enormous wisdom and open-mindedness.

To me the most important are truth and the process of getting to the truth.
This must never be second-place to emotions and must indeed rise above good and bad feelings.

I do not have a problem if someone deliberates something truthful in a very rude manner. But I regard dimly anyone who propagates untruth, irregardless of how sweetly the untruth is told.

Good-mannerism is definitely a bonus here, (and anywhere). But the truth must always be in first place to everything else.

I think the goal is not to change someone, but to tell the truth and refute the untruth from your viewpoint, and place emotion & feelings in second place.
.

OK. So be it.
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"I won't fire Ginx up further as I certainly believe she is fired up enough already for a Sunday."

Posted by SAINTS, Sunday, 16 March 2008 9:12:54 AM

Well obviously you are a believer;-is that one of them miracle thingo's??

I hadn't even switched on my comp, and I'm 'all fired up'....TODAY!

Is it a Jesus thing? Well...hallejulah and AMEN, brother...er, sister. ( Just a tip: get the line of communication with Him checked by the Jesus tech''s).

I will choose my own Saint..um,..Saint. He is a compassionate, caring highly qualified surgeon, he chops bits out of me with such skill. No problems in that house when it comes to carving the Sunday roast!
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gz;...{-_-}!

(I will take you on though...)

Wow, Ginx, good to see your true self back. Your vitriolic comments cannot be explained by a mere hormonal imbalance, especially your retorts when other posters attempt a conciliatory tone with you. You appear even more bitter and unforgiving. The word 'psychotic' comes to mind also.

So, when are you due to be an inpatient at the Adelaide Clinic? Or are you already there?

Hope I haven't set off your persecution complex...NOT! That's right, if I post in response to you, in your head I'm stalking you. Look out your window and I'll wave to you.

PWG

I KNEW you would turn up:

JSP1488
Cuchalinn
Frank n Stein
....................have I missed any;-I think I have?

Here is the pathetic creep who had to invent several identities to attack me. He had to form his own identity 'gang'!

Gutless!! A shiver looking for a spine to run up. (Thank-you PK).

Ginx

I cannot believe you would attack a person who only posted a "get well message to you and Foxy".

My sentence you were already fired up for a Sunday was in response to reading your earlier postings to other posters above myself.

My name (handle)has nothing to do with miracles, or the Jesus sect - as you infer.

As you have advised in an earlier posting you also are recovering from cancer, again I wish you both the best with your recovery.

I'VE HAD A GUTFUL OF THIS INNOCENCE!!

Your post contained a little shot at me. I quoted that, and you don't like it! So-, as you did in your first post-, you try the gentle Christian thing.That is NOT my belief system, but of course I offend you because I didn't defer to it.

THAT is what REALLY offends you isn't it? That I wasn't impressed by your good wishes in God. The fact that they contained a little barb is irrelevant isn't it?

Foxy asked sometime back for this thread to close. BEFORE that I passed an opinion, popular or not. AFTER that request, I have only defended myself because there are those of you who still want to have your say. Fair enough. BUT;-if that contains a reference to me in any derogatory manner I WILL respond.

I have been taken to task whilst being referred to as a friend;-and then you come along with your wishes in Christ, containing a snide remark!(I do NOT believe your excuse for it). BECAUSE that remark is contained within the message, and the message is Christian; it's OK? IT IS NOT!

I'll tell you something SAINTS; I will take the Jack-the-Lad's anyday. At least that poster says what he REALLY means.

Ironically enough, defending myself against this subtle sniping is making me out to be the aggressive one!!

Now respond with your injured innocence again. What a bitter joke!

"Ginx I cannot believe you would attack a person..."

Actually it's completely believable (to me) what Ginx has done. In the beginning I thought she was one ex-blogger who couldn't type proper sentences, let alone focusing on an issue. I quickly realised my error of judgement, partly on a hunch.
No doubt Ginx is a "no nonsense type" who does not fare well in many "normal" circumstances. That's bad news for her in a way, but it won't worry her. However in some very adversarial and difficult circumstances, some people in retrospection would be very grateful to find a "Ginx" amongst them - someone who could well be a catalyst to sorting out a dilemma.

This is in harmony to my earlier points that getting to the truth is ultimately what matters and some people do it sweetly, a few don't.

My character analysis will no doubt makes Ginx cringe. But this has shaped up to be an interesting thread. Surely more interesting than those where I bashed CJ Morgan's head in.

I swear this is my final post on this thread. My hunch is that this thread is coming to a finale, but A FEW MORE POSTS WON'T HURT : )

'Couldn't type proper sentences'??

Watch your mouth!

(Nobody bashes CJ Morgan's head in. Nobody.)

...don't forget you've made your final post on this thread......

I hope I have. I fear I have not.

I wonder who will have the last word?

Wonder no more Vanilla. I've had enough.

I'm packing it in. Every since I was diagnosed with colon-rectal cancer and had a huge part of my bowel removed its been a difficult on-going battle. I've suffered from severe nausea while at the same time having to deal with two elderly mothers (one with Alzeimers), and a step father in a high-care nursing.

But hey, that's life. And with my family's help I managed. My consultant (known as a 'pathfinder') from -The Cancer Institute told me to get involved in an activity that would provide some relaxation for me - so I found The Forum. And I admit It became a very important means of escape for me. I relied on it heavily - especially during my worst times.

When I was told I needed more surgery - I can't even begin to tell you -the effect it had on me. I was in a dark place.

To keep up my spirits - my family would logg on - and tell me what was going on in The Forum. I've asked them to stop.

Anyway, as it turned out - my surgery was a simple procedure. The diagnosis is hopeful. I still have to have more tests.

The rest of all this doesn't matter to me. As my consultant tells me -
I have to focus on staying positive. That's all that matters.

I've got enough on my plate to worry about who thinks what or why.
And I shan't allow myself to dwell in negativity - stress out - or try to justify what I did or why (yeah, I know, I just did ). I've got to remain calm .

I do know that I'm very grateful for all your comments - which meant so much and helped me a great deal - at a time when I was so frightened - I had heart palpitations
and had to placed on medication. (I'm still taking the tablets).

Anyway, enough said. This has got to stop. I just want the nastiness
to go away.

Foxy

You've got nothing to apologise for. It's no reflection on you that your thread was high-jacked the way it was. Put yourself and your recovery first and just dip in and out of OLO as it suits you.

As you can see from the earlier posts here, your consistently fair and generous posting style has earned you a lot of respect from other posters and nothing will take that away.

All the best!

Here's another poem for you Foxy:

*To live is miracle enough*

To live at all is miracle enough.
The doom of nations is another thing.
Here in my hammering blood-pulse is my proof.

Let every painter paint and poet sing
And all the sons of music ply their trade;
Machines are weaker than a beetle's wing.

Swung out of sunlight into cosmic shade,
Come what come may the imagination's heart
Is constellation high and can't be weighed.

Nor greed nor fear can tear our faith apart
When every heart-beat hammers out the proof
That life itself is miracle enough.

Mervyn Peake

I have a blog where all I do is post my favourite poems - if you like poetry it can be a good way to relax: http://waylaid.blogspirit.com/

Me too. Had enough. I DID NOT hi-jack this thread.

I have even used that terminology myself; but what does it really mean? This is a forum for mature people for Pete's sake! People have and express different views all the time here. Threads meander, routinely.

My 'crime' was to bring the warm brown fuzzy to a jarring halt. It was that. NOTHING else.
I have been condemned because I questioned a forum favourite.

The individual in society is condemned for doing the same thing. (God help Germaine Greer for daring to question the late Steve Irwin's handling of crocodiles; most wild life experts agreed with her, but dare not speak out. It simply isn't done is it?).

Remember the strength of feelings in the Freedom of Speech thread??
FoS IS selective isn't it?

I regret one thing:

Foxy has cancer.
Ginx has cancer.
Foxy has tumours.
Ginx has tumours.
And wouldn't you know it......
given your last offering, you should know what a subtotal colectomy is Foxy; I had mine in '91.

As Nicky pointed out, it was somewhat of a ' my tumour's biggeren' yours ' !
I regret that, but I will be damned if I will wear the mantle of villainess because I questioned a sad farewell and a return to the forum 12 days later!

I would do it again.

Every time you post your heartaches Foxy, you cannot fail to engender support, part of which is to condemn me directly OR indirectly.

Then I get further condemned for defending myself against that!

WELL BUGGER THAT!

You are the one person on this site,- (not this thread Foxy, NOT this thread)-, that I will NEVER liaise with again.
I shall continue to agree or disagree with others,;-like them or dislike them and expect the same. But I will avoid the 'blue-eyed' like the clappers!

You are Teflon AND tissue.
It does no good to say ANYTHING negative to you or about you. Something you clearly came to expect.

It will take a brave person to upset with you now; on ANY thread!

Freedom of Speech?

Ginx

NOTHING you say could offend me, so don't worry, as you don't even come close?

I am a polite person by nature. I am not a tambourine clanging Christian, although I (like most people) do believe in God - no matter what one's creed or belief is.

I have known many cancer suffers (personal friends) during my lifetime who have not been as fortunate as you and Foxy - ie continuing to survive and having a chance of getting better and living "quality life".

I happened to have attended a personal friend's funeral two weeks ago.

From your posts, you obviously don't like people to offer you
best wishes for your continued recovery ......I'm not sorry I did and do hope you continue on the road to recovery.

I don't make "snide" remarks at anyone.....I have no need you, my good wishes are from the "heart".

Life is too short - as we all know.

You mentioned your strict background with disclipine in an earlier post. I also have extreme disclipine in my working life.

Ginx - I wish you well.....

I checked your post history SAINTS, (details are a part of professional life to me, so it is second nature).

You are indeed a very courteous person, and it certainly appears you have done a lot for those who have suffered institutionalized child abuse. Good for you! That IS sincere.

Every sentiment in your post was excepted with good grace, believe it or not; except one line.

It was like finding a nail in the middle of a marshmallow; it ruined all the sentiment for me as a result.

Good wishes do not come on a conditional basis, you should know that.

I hope that this clarifies matters. All the best.

Dear Ginx,

I have never condemned you, directly or indirectly. Read my earlier posts on this thread.

I still don't. I admire people who say what they think. I always have. It's the way I was brought up, and the way I raised my children.

You go ahead and think what you want, say what you want, ignore me (or not) if that's what you want.

Frankly, I don't care anymore.

I have other issues to worry about, and I'm moving on.

I told you what was in my heart - that wasn't good enough - well, I'll just let it be your problem - not mine from now on.
As the Serenity prayer says:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept things
I cannot change; courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference."

I wish you well, as I'm sure everyone else on this thread and this Forum does as well. This is not some sort of competition or popularity contest - nobody is against you. Least of all - me.

Foxy please stop behaving like such a martyr!

Many people do not survive cancer as SAINTS has pointed out. Cuphandle posted in this thread about her major surgery, and that was ignored, even by me.

Can I suggest to you that you look around for others who have far worse problems than you or I. It can do you no good to be so preoccupied with everything to do with you.

If every member of OLO posted about their illnesses, OLO would be logjammed!

Do not speak for the forum Foxy, you are not a spokesperson for it. And don't imply some sort of paranoia on my part about people being against me, or competitiveness. What a curious thing to say..

For someone who 'doesn't care anymore' you show a very subtle but steely determination to put me in my place.

As I have previously said, it doesn't do to upset you

Dear Ginx,

I do not see myself as a martyr - on the contrary -I'm a fighter. I don't presume to speak for The Forum - I speak for myself.

I don't need instructions from you as to what I can or can't do. The Forum doesn't belong to you either. I'm not trying to teach you anything. However it seems that you can dish it out - but can't take it.
You're very quck to attack.

I am fully aware that I'm not the only one with problems - as I've indicated on this thread. If it was all about 'Me' as you put it - I certainly wouldn't have apologised to you - I wouldn't even have considered your feeling for one iota - I would have told you to 'blow it out of your pants' and 'get lost!'

I have no intention of discussing my personal problems any more - I only did it on this thread for the explanations that I've given. If you can't understand that - well as I said - that's your problem - not mine.

Now can we close this topic and move on please - because I really don't see the point in us dicsussing this matter any further.

You've had your say - leave it at that.

Ginx

Am glad you checked my post history.

You are incorrect that I have done a lot for child abuse victims whilst institutionalized...I haven't done enough.

I - and many others with me - are just "warming up for a renewed fight" for justice for all those innocent children who were abused.

I don't believe any issue - in my life - has affected my entire being and heart to those bastards (I don't apologize for the word) that abused so many "innocent" children and all under the "cloth of God" that I was invited to submit my report to the Senate Enquiry in 2004.

Over 500,000 children were institutionalized during the 1940's to 1980's.

Our men were sent overseas fighting a War, our children were being raped and abused back home.....where is the justice......how many pages do you wish me to write on the subject.

What am I - and many others - fighting for now - a Royal Commission Enquiry is the only way these bastards (again I don't apologize) who abused our innocent children - can be named and subpoened to the Enquiry, including the so called "closed records" which these institutions refuse to reveal to the children - now adults endeavouring to seek legal recourse, then and only then will the Statute of Limitations be raised for Criminal charges to be laid on these abusers - I really don't care how old they are now.

Having checked my post you would know that I have been on a seven year journey - in my mother's name - in seeking justice for ALL abused children whilst institutionalized.

My good wishes to you on your recovery - are unconditional, I thought you would have known that as my sentiments to you and Foxy are from my heart.

Saints
I just wanted to say that was a lovely post and I wish you well in your efforts. We are working on a similar matter but it was in the persons home she was abused all her life. Your correct nobody really wants to know or cares. However the victim has now an oportunity to perhaps be heard and I hope she finally gets some justice after years of battling to be heard. I was wondering if you had experienced the old- But you dont have ant witnesses or evidence reply.
I mean for God sake these abusers of kids dont advertsise now do they.
Whats wrong with the victims evidence?

Again All the very best and we have a email address on our site if we can help in anyway pls dont hestite.

We are rather good at calling for Royal Comms- If thats any help.
Cheers.

Foxy:
Great to hear that you have "conquered" your own particular Everest (and I say that in the most positive way!).
I like everyone else, look forward to your continuing posts and wish you a long and continuing healthy life!

Ginx:
You do NOT owe me any apology! My particular problem at the time was neglible compared to Foxy!
I have had my left Total Hip Replacement and am now in the third week of recovery and am walking around reasonably well unaided. The funny part was that most of the pain was presenting in the left knee joint, but apparently was simply transmitted pain from a worn-out left hip joint,....now I have very little pain in the hip-joint and a simple stiffness in the knee, (as a result of hobbling around on it for years), which will no doubt improve with time!
I was in Hospital for only 5 days and would suggest strongly that anyone facing this sort of operation should feel no apprehension at all, as I handled it well, despite three days of intensive test procedure due to having a few medical issues,and was unable to take any form of pain relief before, during and after the procedure,( I have taken two Paracetomol 4 times daily ) I suffered a pain level of only 2 (on a scale of 1 to 10), had virtually no ill-effects due to undergoing an Epidural anasthetic procedure, thus even after having a bed booked in the ICU Ward, spent only 2 hours in Recovery before being returned to my Ward all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed!
I would be only too pleased to help and advise anyone facing this sort of operation in the near future, as there are a few tips to make life even easier whilst facing hospitalisation and again returning home!
After being somewhat apprehensive at the age of 69 years, which in hindsight was totally unwarranted, I found the procedure a breeze and am truly thankful for the ability and dedication of the Doctors and Nursing staff who are battling in this overburdened system of ours!

Thank you for your post and kind words of encouragement - it is certainly appreciated by myself and many others.
No, I wasn't abused as a child, but was alerted to the issue and extent of "child abuse whilst institutionalized" during the 1940's to 1980's quite by chance.
Any person wishing to view letters written by actual victims who were brave enough to recall the attrocities should visit Senate Enquiry into Child Abuse Victims 2004. There are over 500 letters from the "brave souls" who actually wrote and/or attended the inquiry and relived their trauma.
The Ministers who attended the Enquiry were in tears as to what they were told and heard as to the extent of abuse our children endured whilst institutionalized by these so called "cloth of God" followers.
I am unable to put in writing here what these "innocent" children endured at the hands of these criminals whilst institutionalized for years, and years, and years.
It is now 2008 four years since those "brave" victims who told their stories still seeking recourse from the Senate Enquiry Report....nothing has happened, which is why we are all seeking a Royal Commission Enquiry.
You are so right - the general public don't want to know as the issue is too gross to hear or take on board.
The Salvation Army, the catholic church and others have set up their corporations in such a way that to try to instigate legal proceedings against them is impossible as their "entity" carries no more weight than trying to commence legal proceedings against a tuck shop.
The Salvation Army, catholic churches etc in the past have issued statements of "apology" and regret to our abused children .....well gee that's a huge commitment to our innocent abused children.
Their apology means nothing to me unless it is backed up with $$$$'s and compensation.
The perpetrators get off scot free - whilst our children - now adults - are left living with a life-time legacy of abuse, trauma and rape.
Where is the justice, there is none, for our innocent abused children.

Cuphandle - welcome back to "recovery land".

My mother had the same operation which was completely successful.

My best wishes to you for a continued and speedy recovery.

SAINTS; I am writing here again only because of your latest comments. It was I feel inappropriate for me to respond before. It was never meant as any kind of diminishment of the issue of the abuse of children.

ANY child in ANY land on this earth. No other subject consumes me more than this one.

South Australia has just completed an inquiry into the abuse of children in institutionalized care. Former Supreme Court Justice Ted Mullighan conducted this inquiry over a period of many months. He is widely credited with conducting the inquiry with honour and integrity;- and it has changed him. He has listened to more cases of abuse and even deaths...., in these months than we will ever learn of in our entire lives.

There IS NO allegation. judges, politicians, lawyers, police officers, magistrates (one is already in prison for a long time), businessmen, 'personalities'...; all of these vermin WERE 'fed' children for private 'parties' up to the late 90's...(I wonder...?).

PROOF. They have to have indisputable proof;- because they know who these people are! It is touted that arrests are to be made, but the infamous SA. 'Family' were never brought to justice (from the same group), with the exception of bevan spencer von einem (I refuse to credit him using uppercase),- who has maintained his silence.

These now adults, have given evidence of being driven from the 'Homes' and delivered to wealthy homes in some of SA's top suburbs. Some children never survived...

As I live and breathe;- if arrests do NOT occur, then I and many others WILL question just how 'high' this goes.

NOTHING, NOTHING happened in all these years because this filth were protected.

Let us see if they still are.

Cuphandle;-glad you are up and skateboarding again!

Foxy,Ginx,Saints:
We all seem to have our individual physical obstacles to face in life, be it due to genetic failure, ageing or simply sheer bad luck, however face these frailities we must, and we must also trust that the "grand overseer" will determine our final fate as we journey through our allocated space in time!
As I waited for my operation I was very, very frightened, ( something I have never been before, at least not like this!) as a result of the various issues which had shown up during the preceding three days of testing, the worst of which was an eroded heart valve, of which I had no previous indication or ill effects.
When the decision was made to use an Epidural Block instead of a General Anasthetic, I accepted that if this was the time, then so be it. The following half hour in which I was bent over with my forehead on my knees was to say the least "very painful" whilst they tried to insert a canula into the spinal column, with obvious difficulty, hence the half hour of "hell".....I must say that IT was the only real pain that I suffered during the whole operation and the following recovery time, so in the long term it was probably worth it!
After the Epidural was administered I was aked if I would like to hear some nice music, to which I replied that they could now bring on the dancing girls, and at that stage they must have given me something raher nice because the next thing I remember was the Surgeon telling me that I could relax as it was all over!.....I was glad to be alive!
I believe that we should all talk openly about our fear and trepidation,... we are ALL human beings with all the fears and failings of the human race and we should all do our best to dispel the pain and suffering that our fellow beings face in their own individual trek through life!

EAT, DRINK, BE MERRY and be thankful for the time we are given!

Ginx - Thank you for your post and support on the issue of child abuse.
You are certainly up to date with the issue in SA with former Supreme Court Justice Ted Mulligahan's report into child abuse.
The lifting of the Statute of Limitations for Child Abuse victims in order for criminal charges to be laid upon the perpetrators have been lifted in SA and WA....so far. Why not NSW?
Criminal charges have certainly been laid upon Salvation Army Officers and priests. A google search will certainly attest to my information as to the criminal charges and jail terms placed upon these pedophiles.....as that is the only word I can use.
You speak of PROOF - our children "now adults" have the proof of their abuse, whether it be sexual, physical or emotional abuse whilst institutionalized within NSW homes ....but due to the Statute of Limitations "not" being lifted are unable to seek recourse against the Salvation Army, Catholic Churches, Anglican Church and the State Government.
Most people say to the "abused" victims - get over it as it happened years ago.
My comment to these people - "Just walk a mile in their shoes", physical abuse, sexual abuse and emotional abuse on a daily basis from people who were supposedly entrusted with their care .....how would you survive and "get on with life"?
No child asked to be born, a child (any child) needs nuture, guidance and comfort .....did these children get this? No.
Did they deserve it, "Yes".
This is why I will continue my journey for these abused children in seeking recourse, justice and compensation.
First step being with a Royal Commission Enquiry. This is the first time since Federation that State and Federal Governments are controlled by Labor....If this Government is now "serious" with addressing issues of the past the buck stops now, the blaming stops and "our children" - now adults - should be given the opportunity of a full Royal Commission Enquiry.