Dear Frank.....ur smart enough to understand.

Conclusions follow evidence. Its that simple.

You seem to be in denial that evidence is valid, based on some political predisposition which cannot accomodate some things which are contrary to your sentimentally cherished values about the nobility of human nature.

Why should the abysmal performance of a government be the fault of the opposition ? By saying this, you confirm what Christ said "People are sinful" you underline the basic human tendency to sin, evil, selfishness and greed. So I should thank you for this, it supports the call I often make for all of us to repentance and faith.

But I don't think that's what you had in mind is it?

My post might have been a little obscure but let me reiterate.

Muslim reasoning "Abu Bakir OFFERRED his daughter to Mohammad" when in reality MOhammad ASKED for her.

Franks reasoning "Government is bad because the opposition is bad"

Rather than "The Government is bad because people are selfish, greedy and full of self interest"

It' not hard if you look closely mate.
cheers

Will a new King solve the problem?

The main question is whether the system in place is intrinsically corrupting. Given the situation across Australia I would suggest that this is the case. Yet most of the posts in this thread imply that the system is fine by suggesting a change of pollies will solve things.

I would remind the forum that the great democracy we enjoy in Australia evolved not from new kings, but from rules to limit their excesses when things went wrong. Perhaps it is time to evolve our democracy a little further?

Fester the system we have is the one we will live with for some time.
We should not fall for the idea just a leader is needed and despite our Christian posters view it is sin that put us in this place it will not be God that gets us out of it.
A weak near non existent opposition, any one with understanding of politics will know plays its part.
No police men to watch over the state.
Even now failure to truly act by the states leaders is clear evidence they think they do not need to.
That failure in my view questions the honesty of the leadership, in my mind calls for them to leave now.
NSW not for the first time is running second to others self interest it is not the first or last state to do so.
QLD white shoe scandals had no less crime behind it that this.
Even the brown paper bags.

"We should not fall for the idea just a leader is needed"

I agree, Belly.

"That failure in my view questions the honesty of the leadership, in my mind calls for them to leave now."

Does this mean that you have fallen for the idea, Belly?

"Fester the system we have is the one we will live with for some time."

The system we have is changing all the time Belly. Whether it's a major thing like the right to vote, conscription, or more minor things like an obligation to remove your dog's faeces from public places, the system is in constant flux. And what drives the change is a consensus that the status quo is unsatisfactory.

The system as it is, is allowing nation wide instances of corruption involving the collusion of developers and elected representatives. Now Belly, would you agree that the system is unsatisfactory?

Fester I except your point no way I want to hide from it Morris needs to go and now.
He by not removing a bad smell in my party takes ownership of it, maybe he knew about it.
Even maybe is part of it.
I do not agree the system change all that much, in my lifetime leaders from both sides have been a bit black lets say.
Other states are better but none is clean we want change but will we get it?
Honesty is required but do you see a rising tide of honest Polly's rushing forward?
If the unlovable bloke can tell me why he wants to sell power and not make me laughter he will surprise me.
Development rights are hot issues not NSW alone but once QLD too.
I would ask my party my proud party are we better of imitating an ostrich or demanding change?
We have zero power even in the branches to bring about his removal but we must act for our troubled party not this lost government.

No CJ, the opposition still has nothing. I can't recall a NSW Lib. of any distinction outside of Greiner in my time. Says a lot that our last election featured Iemma being propitiative - I know we're hopeless, I'm so sorry, please don't hit me too hard, i'll try and do better next time- and still creaming the other guy.

Couldn't vote for either in the end.

Hopefully they will get rolled by internal fighting over the electricity privatisation.

PS,glad to have Mike Kaiser back?