But you are the one-sided one. You endorse things like torture, because it's "better than what they do". That doesn't put you much above them as it's a very low bar and it's not the whole picture anyway. A nation that can pride itself on honour does not endorse torture or any other cruel and degrading punishment.

DeeprkOpps sounds like a nut. Read this please about Obama and stop spreading filthy lies: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Belly - not knocking you, just confused.

You said: "America should not torture ever but at least they openly debate it not so in the middle east." and then said you were proudly taking the opposite stance to Steele, who was saying that we should disassociate ourselves from the American proclivity for employing torture.

Am not quite sure where the middle eastern beheadings come into it, either.

Are you condoning America's use of torture or condemning it? I can't quite follow what you mean.

Romany I will try ,no one no country should torture ever.
My views on steel are based not just on this thread but the history of a lot of posts.
One about a womens magazine in Iraq is live now.
It is said that to comment on the life of females in that country you should first take out citizen ship of that land.
It will always be my view the west has much to answer for, we often get it wrong, but we at least question ourselves.
After a human bomb kills innocents in the middle east while no doubt suffering the people closest to them are treated like hero's .
Steel, I may be wrong, appears to be one sided and it is not the west side in my view.

Re Obama
I think DeepDarkOpps misjudges/misdescribes Obama.
A lot on the left don’t like him because he has the guts to ditch the tradition Black V White scenarios. He is serious the best “Republican” to vote for .

Re Torture
The first problem you face is determining what is torture.
And, whatever list you settle on today will change tomorrow .
The list keeps growing all the time ( to the benefit of the ‘prisoner’)
Yesterdays legitimate interrogation techniques are today’s torture techniques.

And an anti-torture stance is often just another cover for Anti-Americanism

Belly, thank you for taking the time to answer my post and clarify your position for me.