Has anyone noticed that before our Kev got converted to Global Warming he was a willing participant to Johns incentives for tackling Global Warming by handing out millions to new technology that cannot supply base load power.

Did anyone notice Kev object to Johns dictate that only the non base load power alternatives and Coal would be discussed in Parliament.

Has anyone else noticed that all Government grants and assistance went to new technology unable to supply base load power, with the excecption of exploring Carbon sequestration which even if could work, costs would be outside the pocket of consumers.

All of which left Coal Coal Coal and no abatement in Carbon emissions.

Have I missed Kevs epithany and new crusade to bring on those new technologies producing base load power that cut Coal usage in half, slash water wastage to zero, emmit half the Carbon and reduce the consumers electricity tariff without cutting back on power consumption.

Only Human,
What did you expect of Kevin Rudd ? He's only an academic !

What's your agenda OH? Are you complaining about Kev's rejection of nuclear power?

Eliquently put,fully agreed with.

75 times less Carbon in base load load power supply, is 75 times less Coal Carbon capture costs, is less 75 times the cost in Coal.

It also wipes our water consumption.

Kev 2020 Summit Australia Smart looks not to lower costs in energy supply to the consumer.

you guys should get an editor, or write before drinking.

kev will do what he can, as a politician. i believe it won't be enough. a politician has to get elected and can not afford to make enemies. a nation that has citizen initiative can get painful things done, when needed. that's why i push for democracy.

ozzies don't want to hear this, they are raised to be handless in politics, and the notion that the nation is theirs and should be guided by the people terrifies them. so it should, they are not citizen quality. but they could become so over time, and the creation of citizen initiative would wonderfully concentrate the minds of the politicians, lifting their game to hold their jobs.

it's no use complaining about the quality of politicians. they are what they are and have always been: only human, and not the best humans either. since you can't change the people, change the system. it's really easy, unless you're the same low quality as the pollies.

Could not quite understand the argument. I think the comment about
drink writing should be a criminal offense is spot on.

Carbon sequestration is old hat and has been done for years.
I just don't know what the fuss is about.
The problem for power stations is to separate the CO2 and then get it
to the place where it is to pumped down.

Anyway it is not really a problem, peak coal will occur in about 25 to
30 years and from then on something else will have to be slid into place
as the coal burners become obsolete at the end of their life.

Anyway the latest news is that we are heading for global cooling, oh dear !
Base load means full output day or noght, blowing like a gale or a dead calm.

Until such time as an economic storage is developed then we are stuck
with coal or geothermal.
Hopefully the molten salt method will pan out without massive losses.
If we don't have near 100% guarantee of power then just too many
functions and processors will be too risky.
Would you get in a lift it it had a signs which said;

DO NOT ENTER THIS LIFT AT SUNSET OR IF THE WIND MIGHT STOP !

"peak coal will occur in about 25 to 30 years

says who?

"Anyway the latest news is that we are heading for global cooling

same with this

Hot or Cold, man made enviroment, better or worse and for who?

Now is the time not later.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

If you can't stand the heat get out of the ktichen.

75 times less Coal per 350 Megawtts base load power existing Stations, and or Solar powering Hyyogen market from now land lost to salt water.

Wants invitation Summit 2020.

You have to be able to explain what you mean before they will let you in. I recommend you start by using sentences.

Freediver,
The Energy Watch Group (EWG) ummm, its a German scientific
organisation that studied coal reserves. They brought out a report last year in March.
I think, hang on I think I have a copy of their report.
Yes, I do. It is a very high powered group judging by their CVs and their references.
I can't find their URL but google will find them for you.
There was a lot of discussion at the time.
They discovered that the reserves of most countries had not been updated for about
25 years and everyone was presuming that there were
hundreds of years of coal available.

While I was looking for their URL I saw a graph which looks just like
a Hubbard curve but for hard coal in Germany and they are almost
finished with coal in 2000.
Well worth a read, it makes you realise that all the global warming
panic about coal is a bit pointless.

Re the cooling it was a report from a Russian Institute that did
a study and predicts global cooling starting about now.
I did not keep it or note its URL so I cannot help there but
maybe google will help again. It was only about a week ago.

Self aquiring Hydrogen. Renewable fuel.

Pre burn hydrogen heated 85c provides 700 Bar 1400 Megawatt gas turbine.

Burning Hydrogen heats water 550c 160 Bar 350 Megawatt gas turbine.

Electrodes harvest Hydrogen in Steam cooling waters.

1750 Megawatt scavanger available now.

Adapting gas to water turbine doubles production to 3500 Megawatt.

Base load power, lower tariff, zero Carbon emission.

Innovation 2008 seeking invite summit 2020.