wow ginx, the substance to furthering your argument is to criticise me for drawing attention to your spelling even though I plainly said it was probably a mistake. My point was in guaging your attitude, not your abilities. Sorry you are so sensitive to personal error.
I see you post no evidence for the real errors in your posts, so be it, lets paint me as arrogant instead of correct. I'd hate for you to have to admit to mistakes in public.

Do you reread your own posts, don't forget to use capitals when you quote yourself. You raised your voice to me, and I take that as a terse response, and then you have the hide to quote back in lower case. And you think I have cheek.

I'll leave it for others to judge the merits of our posts, and whether I've wronged you without provocation

I've read your post history Roj; you have a track record of being highly defensive in all matters farming. That's fine, but you are getting yourself really locked up in side issues now; why?:

".........don't forget to use capitals when you quote yourself. You raised your voice to me, and I take that as a terse response, and then you have the hide to quote back in lower case...."(Quote: Roj)

I...er.., raised my voice to you..? I quoted back in lower case....

Okkkkkkkkk.........

I am truly sorry if you are suffering some kind of personal stress.

Rojo

I think the key word here is-possible as you said "The Substance"
While our opinions have been worlds apart on some issues regarding farming in general I cant say you have ever gone out of you way to be purposely rude like some of our libber posters.

I can only repeat we must support our farmers as a number one in this country.
Sure there are some changes of crops and improvements to farming all round especially as the RSPCA point out to our laws to stop darn right cruelty.
Despite that we are going to be in the most serious trouble if we rely on China to feed us or any other country for that matter.

Its a case of sitting at the table many times to get it right because we can not afford to get it wrong.

Mean time I can tell you many farmers have done it tough along with their familes over the past five to six years.

I note times the different posts go up and i wonder to myself if there will be any welfare in this country for anybody if we do not support the back bone of this nation which is our farmers.

unlike the Animal Libbers you see on this forum we think farmers have been decieved and sold out in the past by the traitors who flooded this country with cheap imports.

One can not blame farmers now in order to survive for sending their products off direct in order to get a fair go.

So unless something is done and done urgently in a few years the Australian city folk will wonder what hit them as prices rise to overeas demands and they have to compete with a every hungry world to by procude of any kind.

Its Food for thought and well past time we gave not only our farm animals a fair go with some laws to protect them from utter unforgivable cruelty but farmers a better deal all round

ginx, if I'm defensive toward agriculture it is for good reason, I feel it is being wronged.

I've been posting regarding the "absurdity" of cotton and rice but you don't wish to discuss that, only that somehow I was less pleasant to you than Rainier. Shock/horror for you that I suggest you were uninformed, when you demonstrate it so plainly. But you don't admit that you made a mistake or an error in judgement, so it's all my fault you look silly, not anything to do with your own actions.

lets look at the capitals issue- I took the use of such in your earlier post to be terse, and my reply(that has offended you so deeply) was in the equivalent tone. You then present the quote in lower case to suggest you weren't at all inflamatory. Thats my issue, one of accuracy and fairness, just like any unfair claim against agriculture that I might choose to comment upon. Glad to see you are so worked up about me you've had to check past posts. And you think I've got problems.

If you choose to continually obfuscate the argument to a personal level then thats up to you, because we all have to remember it's all about you, not the junk you write. Sadly arguing with you serves no further purpose because you can't get past yourself. The record is clear to all but you.

Thanks pale, I do try and address the issues not the messenger, sometimes the messenger becomes the issue.

No Roj, the problem is that I have disagreed with you. That has really obsessed you. I HAVE to see it your way.

This thread is about recognizing the value of our farmers. I was not the only one to bring up the subject of sustainable farming. I have not changed my view at all. Sustainable farming practice is critical; absolutely critical.

This will further set you off, because I will not see it your way. I mentioned that in my first response to you. You did not accept it then, and you don't accept it now. You are STILL preoccupied with trying to get me to see that I made a mistake!

I have NO ulterior motive for texting in lower case!! I am unsure believe it or not, of what exactly you mean by this.

It seems to me that what motivates a statement is as important as the statement itself. It's what I do. I STILL don't understand why you are obsessed with 'raised voice/lower case' so I went looking for what was driving this. The only thing I saw, is the many months that you have spent on these issues when they are raised. And that IS ok.

PLEASE get back to the issue of this thread. I am not going to simply roll over to please you, so put an end to it.

The value of our farming community cannot be underestimated. The feed us for God's sake! BUT, I WILL exercise the right to have a view on SOME aspects of farming on this thread whether you like that or not. And I WILL defend myself when YOU make this personal.

I'm not going to come around to your way of thinking Rojo;-leave it alone and get back to the discussion.

`ginx, the problem as I see it is you didn't disagree with anything I said relating to cotton and rice, only how I addressed you. I have no problem with you disagreeing with my info, comments or attitude if it is done factually or logically. I meant it when I said "I do care if I've incorrectly wronged anyone".
You made some statements that I posed some answers too and questioned you about but I felt you focused only on how I addressed you. It is indeed a failing that I put too much emphasis on little things like capitals and how I perceive tone etc, it's no excuse for being short with you.

After some thought I accept you didn't mean to post the quote in lower case deliberately(back to me being too pedantic). I took it that you were saying I couldn't possibly take as terse : "What I HAVE noticed..." Thats where the voice raising occured, and I felt the "have" in the requote made it deliberately appear unreasonable for me to have jumped to that conclusion. I realise now it was an incorrect conclusion. We just perceive things differently. I took your concern about stress as patronising when it was genuine concern, and you ended up with an undeserved earful.

This thread is about recognising farmers- but you chose to come down on cotton and rice farmers. I merely tried to present some info as to why that isn't fair, unfortunately it appeared to be an attack on you personally, not on your comments. I had no intention of doing that.

In my summation, it has been judgement error on my part that got us to this point, and I'm sorry it did.

cont'd