West Australia suffered during the last General Election from Media Bias. West Australia would have fallen into line with all the other States and Territories in having a landslide Democratic Socialist victory if it hadn't been for their Newspapers. It was blantantly biased for the Liberal Party raising unfounded issues and incorrect reporting that was angering the voting Public. Alan Carpenters and Geoff Gallop Government have repealed unfair Industrial Laws statewide. Extended Freeways with Railways both North and South with not a hint of gratitude from the West Australian and Sunday Times. This is why we all need a Campaign for Press Freedom. We all need a Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom is an independent voice for media reform. We must all work to promote policies for diverse and democratic media.
To have a Campaign for Press and Broadcasting Freedom to work for a more accountable, freer and diverse media. We have to have aims
To challenge the myth that press freedom is best served by current forms of ownership and control, and by 'self-regulation' on the part of the Press Complaints Commission.
To defend the principles of public service broadcasting and to argue for democratically accountable forms of broadcasting regulation which actively promote and encourage high programme standards and genuine cultural diversity. We need a Campaign that firmly believes that broadcasting is a public service as fundamental to the wellbeing of our democracy as our education and health systems, and should under no circumstances be treated as merely a producer of commodities. Equally, the Campaign holds that broadcast audiences must be treated, first and foremost, as citizens with distinct communicative rights, and not merely as consumers of entertainment products.
To encourage informed debate on the implications for media content of technological advances in the whole communications arena in order to ensure that the public interest is safeguarded and that commercial interests do not override democratic accountability.
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I have never differed more with a post in my life!
And boy that is saying something.
Is Bronco having a go at us? well unlikely from the very left it appears this is how he thinks.
A heading fighting for press freedom filled me with hope, we could debate the real gag put on some story's by both the Howard government , and when it suits them ALP state ones.
Yet the debate is about our personal biases, the ones we have always had.
They let us see the story's that support our side as good journalism and those that do not as slanted.
West Australians, most of them, do not need news papers to make a choice .
High incomes and growth played its part in that choice not being ALP.
like the rest of Australia it will be governed by a Rudd Labor government not the western Australian press.

play together nicely, children.

the press is free. if you've got one, you say what you want as long as you don't rock the boat. press-owners never want to rock the boat.

bronco, start a newspaper in the west. call it 'tribune', see how you go. nowheres, for an informed guess.

or you could educate yourself on the meaning of democracy, and it's effects. but that's hard, here in the great sheep paddock down under the serfs are still hoping some kind grazier will take care of them like nana used to do. so go on saying "sumbuddy odda...", and sit on yer ass till sumbuddy does.

Bronco and Demos

Firstly Thank you Bronco for starting this thread.
Of course media ownership controls what is said - especially speaking of ships Demos . I have written of course to what is now three different Ministers for Comunication and also Radio Hosts etc.

I wont divert this thread off your topic by giving more details at the moment and because I will miss my plane.

In the past i have written to three Ministers of cominication about all talk back hosts supplying a copy of ownership conflicts.

Mind you this control served Howard well for years.

This control effects ever aspect radio mags newspapers and even music.1192 removal of restrictions on foreign ownership opended markets to new money, especially radio.

Hoyts was brought out by Village Roadshow which in turn mergerd with Austereo leaving the former in control in a dozen cities or so.
The same year Tony Oreillys newspapers [itself half owned by north American interests] bought Wesgo. Unlike newspaper and tv ownership there were 1995 saw Alberts sell Oreilly their three regional and four metropolitian stations.

To be continued in one week
Yes you most certainly are correct Bronco

I will post on WA back ground when I return'

PALE - I have to disagree with the foundations of your view there. You're basically saying that media ownership affects it all.

I've said in other posts that it's always the bottom dollar that affects it, not the biases of the owners. Murdoch or the CVC mob who bought out packer, will print whatever people want to see, because that's where the money is.

This attitude, that there's some omnipotent mogul out there with a guiding hand, I tend to think does quite a bit of damage for the cause of press freedom.

Why?

Because when the media press for more freedom of information laws, or reviews into the secrecy in our courts, the public doesn't get behind the push - they often think it's a wasted effort, because the press are only doing what their barons demand.

All too often it's a simplistic idea of the way the media works. The vast majority of newspapers that are in conglomerates never have direction from their owners, unless their readership is slipping, which is a pretty fundamental aspect of any business.

While Bronco Lane has found a fan but the truth is remote from this threads intent.
I have lived my life on the same side of the fence as Bronc, given it is several paddocks closer to the center than the one he lives in.
Press, all Medea has always, yes always been targeted for its biases, strange as it seems by both sides at once on the same issue.
I expect it , beleave it is more often against the ALP than others but
it made no difference in both NSW and federal elections.
Politics is a science, not a conspiracy but the expression of peoples wishes at that point in time.
Given Brian Burke and a host of bad press, nothing could save my ALP from it why would I hide the fact we are in big trouble in WA?
Given the economy of the west, and the growing impatience they have with us wise men of the east, the result would have been the same with no Medea.
Bronco should understand his description of the ALP as a social Democrat party is at best hugely funny and wrong, tell me in 12 months you do not agree.
Quote me no quotes yes it says we are but it was not true 10 years ago.
Look closely at the Labor victory, understand the best gains came from the places we trailed the most in.
Next election, yes I stand by it, Labor will do best in the west.
Politics is a science not a place to let dreams or even spite run free, unless you want to make statements more to taunt other posters than be about right as the race finishes.
My views are based on none of those just as it will be and as it is.
It can be worth while reviewing our letters to politicians, or any way we approach them.
Some are bound for the waste paper basket the day we send them, ask your self would you be any different if you got some mail?

Bronco Lane I would have hoped you would re enter the debate, it could be an interesting one.
I question your view that the press is not free because it does not think like you or maybe me.
But I look for your views to substantiate your claims with interest.

I don't care much about this specific topic except to state that the free press we are told we have, is not so free at all. Replace government control with private control (under one or two large companies) and you simply assert private agendas over government agendas (which is what we have). And Rudd's government is looking terrible so far on several fronts, including both censorship and control of government department statements.

I have a friend who once worked with the ABC, where they put/spliced together a reel of D-Notice material. D-Notices are sent to media when the Government doesnot want things known. Two I recall being told able were: Fraser with his fly-undone and a now deceased NSW state MP hit his wife across her face. Neither would seem to be Defence related or matters national security to me.

Comrades all and traitors if the public cannot see the the cleverly worded Newspaper Opinion within the West Australian or the Sunday Times as impartial then read it over and over again and again.
Editors are hand chosen by the owners. These newspapers are no less an additional propaganda organ of the Conservative Parties. The Consevative parties have no need to circulate literature these newspapers do it for them. These newspapers campaigned to rid the Liberal Leadership of honest Paul Omedei. Troy Buswell was helped by Robert Taylor and Paul Murray into the Liberal leadership position. If the Liberals are elected in 2009 then we will see the privatisation of the fantastic railway system that Labor has created with the support of the West Australian Public. Not forgetting Sir Charles Court closing down the railway system from Perth to Fremantle.

Understanding these issues involve more than just particularities of the Australian Media. Go back a bit and implictated as well were the high risk lending policies of banks after deregularion in early 1980s.
Alone side we had the capitalists like Bond.
More so now crucial shifts in the direction of the media in our country.

Those changers capable of radically changing our thoughts.
Murdocks domination of press seemed unlikely to be challenged and so on.

eg= 1975 -83 when four major media companies owned most of Australias newspapers, magazines, radio and Tv - most cities still retained three or four competing daily papers , during Frazors leadership.
However dueing Frasors time decions were made which established a pattern of interaction betwen poliitians and owners.
this continued over the many years . Results were owners of major newspapers emerged as owners of TV stations and so on.

Political agreement blurred the role of the press. We ended up with a rather unique political instituion.

Bronco Lane

Well done thanks!

I feel the ABC is still professional and impartial perhaps SBS has drooped maybe because of advertising. seven, nine and ten news segments are woefully unprofessional. I was impressed with the SBS Cutting Edge especially the campaign for compensation due to Agent Orange this epitomises the evil and the heartless policies of Conservative Governments and the money orientated corporations that Conservative governments bolster up. I regard John Pilger as the most pluckiest and sincerely honest Journalist that you could ever find. He has refused to join the easy life of the establishment Journalist that crawl to enhance their careers and do their bidding.
Now we have an improved Government in office that is not within the control of multimationals we must campaign to make them abolish the expoerting of live animals to their slaughter. and enforce stricter policing to abolish whaling these enormous creatures are for more intelligent than those poachers who are slaughtering them.

Equally, the Campaign holds that broadcast audiences must be treated, first and foremost, as citizens with distinct communicative rights, and not merely as consumers of entertainment products.
To encourage informed debate on the implications for media content of technological advances in the whole communications arena in order to ensure that the public interest is safeguarded and that commercial interests do not override democratic accountability.
To carry out research, lobby and generate public debate on alternative forms of ownership and regulation of the media in order to guarantee freedom both from state interference in all its various forms, and, equally importantly, from domination by vast, unaccountable business interests.
To campaign for the right of media workers to carry out their professional duties free from pressure or interference from media owners.
To help to unite the efforts of trade unionists inside and outside the media in promoting fair and accurate coverage that reflects a wide diversity of views and cultures.
To work actively alongside trade unionists, civil society groups and social movements who are creating alternative, democratic and independent media as a response to being denied a voice in the mainstream media.
To help and encourage media workers and the media and communications unions in promoting values of diversity, and in particular promoting positive coverage of traditionally disadvantaged and marginalised groups.
To campaign for a statutory Right of Reply in the press, which is absolutely fundamental not only to redressing inaccuracies and bias but also to raising journalistic standards.
To campaign for a reduction in legal restrictions on media freedom such as the libel laws, the Official Secrets Act, and legislation pertaining to confidentiality.
To campaign for free and fair access to information for all news outlets, and, in particular, to campaign for a significantly improved Freedom of Information Act.
To campaign against any measures which entail that the flow of information from the state to the media is distorted by political interference or manipulated for political gain.
To campaign for publications' statutory right of access to the distribution system and a guaranteed right of display.

I am no ones comrade, yes I think I am a traitor, see I am a foot soldier of the Australian Labor Party.
And the trade union movement, always and proudly.
My life has been a long march, away from the idea we can progress by pulling high achievers down to our level, that true Socialism is the way of the future.
This thread proposes that free speech is only free if it says what we wish it to.
That Medea is ok if it is on our side.
I remain joyful that we have a truly great ALP government at last.
And that its direction is not socialistic but to restore the ALP brand.
A caring sharing brand, we earned our poor showing in WA we confronted press bias in NSW but over came it.
Know the days of Labor being extreme left will never return it is not acceptable to Australian voters and never will be.

Thanks for starting the thread, Bronco Lane.

If I was in Western Australia I would probably have a lot to say which is critical of the Carpenter Government as I do of the Queensland Labor government at http://candobetter.org/node/118

(BTW Have you checked out the forum "Flames of Hell" at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1387 about the state of the WA Department of Environment and Conservation?)

Nevertheless, it seems to be a tried and true tactic of the Murdoch Newsmedia to play up shortcomings of State Labor governments both real and invented at the time of Federal Elections.

The Murdoch Newsmedia was extremely biassed against Labor over here in Brisbane too. This is not fundamentally altered by the fact that, at the last minute, Murdoch's Courier Mail newspapers in an editorial pondering the choice voters faced between two both supposedly "worthy opponents" "recommend(ed) a vote for Mr Rudd". I argue that the Murdoch newspaper, notwithstanding this editorial remained biassed against Labor because they failed again and again to inform its readers of the gross degree of misgovernance of the Howard Government. They parroted incessantly the lie that the Howard were better economic managers and better at managing Australia's defence, the two supposedly most important considerations. The latter flew completely in the face of well-known ongoing defence equipment procurement scandals (see for example my article "The Myth of the Howard Government's Defence Competence" of 21 Nov 07 at http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6665) If the Murdoch newsmedia had told a fraction of the truth about the Howard Government, the landslide of 20 October would have been a wipeout, so it's overall role in the 2007 elections, notwithstanding it's occasional pretence at pro-Labor reporting, was extremely pro-Howard.

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To maintain its value as a propaganda tool serving the wealthy elites of Australia and overseas, the Murdoch newsmedia does need to occasionally appear to take a pro-Labor stance. Sometimes it even went further and posed as a fiercely independent critic sometimes to the left, rather than to the right, of the Howard Government, hence its largely good (but ultimately flawed and self-serving) coverage of the AWB scandal (of course almost forgotten by the time of the 2007 election).

I have had a bit more to say about the media particularly the Murdoch newsmedia at: http://candobetter.org/PropagandaWatch

Now that Labor has formed the Federal Government in spite of its hard efforts to prevent that from happening, the Murdoch Newsmedia can be relied upon to work overtime to ensure that the Rudd Government's policies are as right-wing and pro-business as possible.

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My thoughts about the supposed left wing bias of the ABC under John Howard may be of interest at http://candobetter.org/node/17

There is a problem with the mass media, This problem becomes bigger and bigger, as the mass media controlled from less and less corporations, internationally.
Murdoch has controlled a huge part of the mass media worldwide and he used his media as propaganda machine, in the war in Iraq. You remember all the lies for the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I can not understand why Murdoch's corporation gave for free thousands of newspapers in Paris, before the war in Iraq. Why?
They control our information, they decide if, when, how and what information to give us, they create and control the public opinion. They have huge power to press the political parties, the political leaders, it is very easy for them to promote their own benefits and become even stronger!!
Our freedom of expression is very weak it depends on the corporations of the mass media. They decide what, when, how and if they publish or not our comments, our thoughts, our dreams.
Our democracy is extremely weak, our democracy is captivated by the corporations that control the mass media.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

The last three posts are of interest and in my view very true Murdock is biased against my party the ALP.
He always has been he always will be , the description of his Medea's last minute switch is also spot on.
But his bias did its best in every state yet NSW an Queensland gave the best ALP results.
My question then is, why did it work so well for conservatives in WA?
Clearly it did not we the ALP did poorly on the back of some truly dreadful events.
Do those who share my passion for the ALP think we can perform badly yet win?
Is it not true we overcame biases in every state except WA?
Did the Brian Burk mess play a bigger part than biased Medea in our poor showing?
Surely my party right or wrong is bad for that party? we must hold ourselves accountable for our faults or never improve.

Campaign For Press Freedom. It does appear that the consencus view is that it is owned by the Capitalist Ruling Classes with Kevin Rudd holding office will now mean that as long as our new Prime Minister continues with a mixed economy shoring up private health and education to the detriment of Government Education and Health they will tolerate him in office. The West Australian and the Sunday Times were rightfully attacking Archer, Burke, Grill, McDonald and Reynolds who are within the right faction of the Labor Party Fong was also rightfully attacked. This all gave the Labor Party bad coverage and Alan Carpenter dealt with it instantly. Geoff Gallop did not have these problems because he told his MP's to give Brian Burke a wide berth if their is dog mess on the pavement you do not tread on it you walk around it. The Media were relentless and this did damage Labor. As we all on this thread now think as one we must all now be assertive to use the Campaign For Press Freedom Policies to bring about change to demand the right of reply when it comes to Character Assasination. Carmen Lawrence had a great future but the National Newspapers destoyed her because she was a threat it was nothing les than Character Assasination she did not deserve what happened to her it was all a mountain out of a mole hill.

Dear Belly if you want the ALP to continue as a milk and water conservative party with little change from the heartless Howard years what is the point of having that kind of ALP. The ALP is and should be about bringing in real change. No nuclear except for medical and pharmacy means. No Uranium Mining or waste, No invading countries that are not harming our country. No Privatisation, Improving Government Education and Health no subsidising private Corporations or Multinationals. Invest in Solar, Wind, Waves, Tidal for power. A fairer workplace and worker participation on the boards. Create more Cooperatives and create a new National Bank so that the private banks would have to compete with it for custom. Capaign for Press Freedom that includes the right of reply.

DITTO There is a problem with the mass media, This problem becomes bigger and bigger, as the mass media controlled from less and less corporations, internationally.
Murdoch has controlled a huge part of the mass media worldwide and he used his media as propaganda machine, in the war in Iraq. You remember all the lies for the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I can not understand why Murdoch's corporation gave for free thousands of newspapers in Paris, before the war in Iraq. Why?
They control our information, they decide if, when, how and what information to give us, they create and control the public opinion. They have huge power to press the political parties, the political leaders, it is very easy for them to promote their own benefits and become even stronger!!
Our freedom of expression is very weak it depends on the corporations of the mass media. They decide what, when, how and if they publish or not our comments, our thoughts, our dreams.
Our democracy is extremely weak, our democracy is captivated by the corporations that control the mass media. DITTO WELL DONE FANTASTIC THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT AND THAT IS WHY THE CURRENT MEDIA SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED IT IS INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE.

Ownership of the Medea in a free economy should not be by government truly most would agree?
Once NSW biggest selling news paper, long ago, was known as the Labor daily, it is our worst enemy now, why? we sold it?
In truth at this time in history the left of center party's Labor and greens, can anyone add another with any chance at holding power?
Are evolving I have no wish to speak for the greens, but Labor is no true Socialist party, remember it lost very badly many times before it won.
It won facing Medea bias it won by moving to better country mainstream Australia.
Not a part time move but the true future of left of center politics in Australia.
So very many who time after time decries Labors new path failed in maths, majority's elect governments.
Very few want other than middle of the road politics .
ownership of the Medea is subject to can you afford to pay what it is worth, unless it is a communist country the ownership is about killing press freedom.
Ask the people of China about press freedom.

Tony Blair was booed off the platform at the East Anglia Annual Conference because his views was so far to the right and it was obvious that he is a Conservative in Labor clothing. He was an advocate for Gateskeill, Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams and David Owen the traitors who set up a political party to oppose the Labour Party. This weakened Labour for eighteen years enabling the infamous Margaret Thatcher to decimate Trade Unions and attack all working people she was at war with her own people. She supported Polands Solidarity to the detriment of British coal Miners. Young people were made homeless and slept under bridges in cardboard boxed. Porky Howards aped her with the same policies. Blair was part of the axis of evil with Bush and Howard to invade Iraq. Privatised their oil clusterd bombed innocent women and children that was a criminal act on par with the use of Agent Orange used in Vietnam. Our Conservative owned media such as Foxtel etc supported this was and made it looked exciting to appeal to all war mongers.

After a post like your last Bronco Lane I understand I should just walk away.
Yet I can not, while the thread , your thread is about press freedom your post highlights my reason for living.
My life has been one of Labor /union activism, no shame in that for me.
From different times different standards I a very long time ago was a communist, then a Socialist.
Weary at running last in the race for power it came to me my dreams did not have mass support, never would have.
In fact Bronco they had in fact been nightmares.
Your sling at true trade unionists Solidarity, fighting for true working class aims freedom brightened my day.
But the vital truth, that you ignored Tony Blair's leadership for world wide Labor party's, his great victory's and the evolution of his party is noteworthy.
The lights on the hill no longer burn in hungry homes and kero is not the fuel, dreams of leftist Paradise's are fables.
Only from with government can left of center party's change anything, and our future is from within mainstream Australia not a dream that for most is a nightmare.
Just maybe my life's dream is to come true, by the time this ALP government leaves office we will have forever got rid of the idea we can not be trusted and just maybe our country will be a better one for it.
We must wait and see, it will be 9 or maybe 12 years before we see that happen.

Belly,

I am not dismissing out of hand the idea that some good may come of the Rudd Labor Government (although I remain very concerned about the pulp mill in Tasmania and the destruction of Port Phillip Bay scheduled to commence on 1 February, which Peter Garrett failed to act to stop - see http://www.bluewedges.org).

However the idea that any Labor Government was better than a Liberal government, which was sold to us during the Hawke/Keating years as it drifted further to the right, privatising the Commonwealth bank, QANTAS and retirement income and adopting the stupid National Competition Policy on the way, only paved the way for the dark ages under the rule of John Howard which began in 1996 and only just ended just a few months ago.

I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that uncritical acceptance of everything the Federal Labor government decides to dish out is no guarantee that this sorry experience will not be repeated.

Bronco Lane
Your energy for this topic is just what is needed. Actually to be honest we spoke more about your thread while away than any other subject.
We took a book I purchased a year ago along with us and had to take turns at carrying the darn thing on and off planes. It’s as heavy as lead.

We wrote to the Minister for Communications on several occasions in regards to the control conflict of interest and straight out misinforming the public. I can recall seeing a picture of Sheryl patting a sheep on their site= Sickening.

They were not just ordinary letters. Each time there would be a very long delay followed by a ` New Minister. Sort of like a change of guards.
Reminds me a bit of the AVA- Australian Vetinary Association.
I would invite you to email us through our web page.
Mean time I will post general info.
The other reason I haven’t posted is I was afraid we would be accused of picking on a certain person posting...
I can only advise people again not to include themselves personally in posts because you then set people up to be accused of attacking that personal `personally`

So that means now if somebody comments about unions you have set the stage for it to be taken as a personal attack when no such intention may have meant.

This is the other reason we stayed away from this thread even despite we really really wanted to talk to Bronco.

People who care are hard to find. Good blokes with good intentions. I would love to see unions taking on a few new roles. With this new Government now is the time.

For example knowing the shortage shortage Of RSPCA staff perhaps they could include some training and act as double up inspectors for business and members and staff running some education programs as well.
There are plenty of animal’s on job sites. It’s not unusual for State Gov and RSPCA to have similar MOUs

Turnrightleft
In order to not agree you first must know full background.

History
War time and beyond.
The 2nd world war dramatically increased in radio. This was so both in the area of sercurity restrictions on broadcast material and the citizenry an expanded gloss on global events. Before the war ABC Manager Chales Moses nints` for guidance of ABC News Compliers.
This was called the ABC formular for truthful reportage.

radio Australia ( and its time take over by government and the imposition of srict censorship.
ABC news followed the Governments move on primary Pacific threate of war. Most of this material was relied on for commericials.

ABC becoming an arm of stae led to protests from listeners.

There were also problems with the Lutheran Church.

The rationing of newspapers gave raio a huge shot in the arm.The war also cut off commericial supply of transcripts and so forth.
In 1949 The Australian Broadcasting Control board ABCB was put together as a authooity to regulate the industry, and the independence provided a legal personality that was inderpendant from resonsilities of that daysGovernment.
However the truth was the Minister retained powers to award and revoke licences.

ABCs blue hills contined right throughto 1976. I can rember Dad never missed it.
By law theyhad to broadcaster Parliment from 1946 in part to raise profile of politicians and partly because of the Labour Governments obsessions with press bias against it.

TBC

daggert your post is one I completely understand, it is true that I wear my heart on my sleeve proudly.
Medea will always in this country be owned by those who can afford to own it.
Other than the ABC, my ABC just as proudly, I find biases there too, both for and against my side of politics.
The thread has become somewhat general in nature, some of that is my fault.
I followed the lead of Bronco then you, no harm done.
I believe my ALP and my union movement are not perfect, both get it wrong and often.
As I do daggert, I think you may be a green, see I am not, sorry but the fact is with no intent to annoy I feel a more conservative path is needed to see long term ALP governments fix what we can.
In relation to my feelings!,may I please state I am not offended by anyones insults to my union movement or the ALP.
I want no more of this verbal tennis in threads I visit.
My thoughts are these, time and again I highlighted what concerns me about one group.
We continue to post without pain in the same threads.
Then something like this springs up it always has I even said it would in that thread!the mutual respect while debateing one.
My issues are not just never addressed, but ignored! such as some in the respect thread.
Then a totally false reason for my determination not to get involved is given.
I in my view am convinced I will not find rational debate from one group, that thoughts that are not mine are said to be reason.
This tough old unionist has never taken to his heels after being insulted.
I just want to never again find myself in debate that is one sided, and likely to find no resolution.
I find the intrusion into threads to insult me foolish

Bronco Lane
See what I mean. Can somebody ` Please` tell us what we said that was so wrong?
I posted some basic history regarding media control which is on topic.
What Belly? What is it this time! You’re driving me nuts with this persecution problem or whatever ever it is.

I am going to continue because I am sick to death of you running us out of threads.
PLEASE Leave Ignore or debate the topic but stop making the forum personal because it isn’t.
Continued=

By 1960 object in the corner changed from value to transistor. Forty to fifty percent of people listening on Sundays could do so at the beach which was the thing to do.

Overseas influence increased at this period. Mean while ABC was importuning discs for programming and Macquarie Network which was owned by British interests from 1951 to 1965.

Made use of current affairs material from MZ British, Ceylonese South Africa contacts.

Around about 1953 there were major dramas.

Fights broke out between actors employers over bring in importation of stars and around (please look the other way belly)
1962 The Musicians Union complained about imported jingles.
ABCB was very concerned it overrode the commercial needs of broadcasters.
Programs in other languages were very very strictly limited.
Mid 1950s they had the first appointments of the citizen’s representatives to the boards which up to that point had been the fiefdom of its “Expert” Chairs

The ABCB then doubled its music quota to 5cents and allowed Sunday advertising .Then a shift in the broadcasting policy came. They said the announcements in 1956 that TV program’s standards would be mapped automatically on to all radio and fm.
A study back then of program’s warned of the unholy effects on the youth that exposure to radio could bring.

Now you have got to wonder if they didn’t get something right back then haven’t you.
Good night all.

This thread in my view is largely a debate between Bronco Lane and myself.
Others have contributed but mostly Bronco who appears to be from Social Alliance and myself have debated the impacts of Medea bias on the less than good showing of the ALP in Western Australia.
I am from center unity of the NSW ALP the right, we are bound to differ.
Medea ownership and bias vs my view the state ALP dug its own grave by its actions all debated no harsh words.
Contributors have debated ownership and biases but no real coming together seems possible.
Some what stunned by the support shown for both Bronco and the ABC radio program blue hills, I again diverted the thread to question why I was haunted here as in other threads?
The post above mine denies others just higher up the thread took place , a tactic well known to me.
In wanting an end to this pointless stalking of me around the threads, I again highlight my concerns have never been addressed.
One of those concerns is why refer to me in a post so often? why then say it was not done?
How can a group who so often go into print with conservative views support the very left in politics?
Who posts today under that name? yesterday? tomorrow?
early start so I must leave but this can not continue, is it too much to ask? that the personal insults stop?
Here in this forum Many do not agree with my views as I do not agree with theirs, we except that, and act like adults why can we not do that here?
I highlight I will not again talk to one group here, but if I left the forum this second a change must and one day will be forced or adopted by that group.
It has to happen we can not continue to be bashed or to bash because our opinions are different.

daggett,
agree with your comment. We were going to post basic background of media control and then respond.

Asymeonakis said
Our democracy is extremely weak, our democracy is captivated by the corporations that control the mass media.

pale replies

true and like to discuss this aspect further as well. Steel, said

I don't care much about this specific topic except to state that the free press we are told we have, is not so free at all. Replace government control with private control (under one or two large companies) and you simply assert private agendas over government agendas (which is what we have). And Rudd's government is looking terrible so far on several fronts, including both censorship and control of government department statements.
pale replies
I think its private agendas `with` Governments that are the problem and its fair to say both sides of politics have played their role in this unfair and unethical practise not just labour.

bellys reply to Bronco

I have never differed more with a post in my life!
And boy that is saying something.
Is Bronco having a go at us? well unlikely from the very left it appears this is how he thinks.

pale Comments
Bronco is using his right to voice his views not having a go and anybody in particular.

Hi Everbody we have had some difficulty with a new soft wear programe that tends to jump leaving out letters creating spelling errors.
Please accept our apoligies and we are working on it.

Contiuned= THE PRESS

With the trend turning more towards gloalisation of the media, and not withstanding the unevenness of this trend.

Juilianne Schults wrote
The media has become so diverse and pervasaive that it was easy to forgot that even the largest conglomerates have their roots in the press. Newspapers were the starting point for all of Australias major commercial news organisations and ethos of the press continued to influence the culture of these companies, even as they became irrevocably entertaiment driven, expoloying new techmethods.
News corp limited grew from owing Adelaide afternoon newspaper John Fairfax ltd.

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John fairfax ltd known mainly for its newspapers , since 1831 but with a range of other media and excpects that multimedia would make up s fifth of its busuness by the end of the centuray.
Australian Consolidated Press, the owner of the nine network ,had a stable magazines and a vast array of other entertainments and commericial propoerties which grew from the Sydney daily teli.

profseeor Stuart Cunningham the Schol of Media and Jouralism at the QLD Unviversity and Graeme Turner Professor of studies have together written a book (or several books) on the Australian media.
To anybody interesred i would suggest its a really good read.

Media ownership and control in Australia has effected my life personally and you are kidding yourself if you think it has not affexted you regaless ofwhom you are reading this.

Moving on =
Its only with the history of political role and clamied indepedence of press the media companies have learned how to excersise political independence of the press that media companies have political influence.
Study the transformation of the newspaper business in Australia over the past two hundred years to see the establishment of the patterns and processes that have resulted in the media indusrty we have today.

Belly and Comrades All. The Broad Left is the largest faction but unfortunately it is always outvoted by the New Right, The Right, The Burke Catholic Faction, The Centre and the non aligned. That is Democracy and long may it last through education and debate Comrades have realised that the selling of the family silver such as Qantas, Commonwealth Bank, Rural and Industries Bank, SGIO, etc was a big big big mistake so Socialist are learning. Eastern States ALP are all very close to the Liberal Party Politically that is why the ALP have always held office with a right of Centre Leader. Britain has always been the same Tony Benn was always character assasinated by the right wing press as a wild eyed Communist which he was not. The Right Wing Media is not democratic, Accountable or fair minded it destroys truly decent people and bolsters up liars and cheats who are not sincerely for the people but are there only as a puppet for the Multi Nationals and their empires. The Right Wing Press always places Trade Unions in a bad light which is unjustified.

Dear PALE your input in this thread has been first class. We often read the West Australian and all of its Journalists never ever write about the plight of the Australian Sheep that are trucked from all over to the Ports this barbaric sin has gone long and far enough. We stopped whaling here in Australia now we must Campaign to stop the exports of live animals for slaughter we have to use the columns of those right wing newspapers to get our message accross and demand the right of reply.

Belly and PALE for the life of me I cannot understand why you are both digging each other out from what I have read from you both politically you are both very close. I take it that you are both Socialist certainly not a selfish Conservative you appreciate disciplined organised unions that are not self interest but are socialist. You are both compassionateand caring so for goodnes sake unite together to help change and bring about a better world for our grand children to live in a caring compassionate Society.

Bronco
Welcome Back - I hope you are going to stick around because eventually I am going to show what you quite clearly already know and that is the direct ( very direct) link between live animal exports and the cruel factory intensive farms where animals are jammed in under the most unhealthy cruel conditions not even being able to s spread their wings or for a intellergent animal such as a pig turn round.

Then they are stuffed of course to the eye ball with drugs every single day with antibiotics which creates super bugs and disease.

Then people buy those products and feed it to their family.

You would be amazed at the amount of people for example that have no clue that bird flue is in fact from factory intensive farming of birds
Its as simple as that.
For those of yopu who are thinking to themselves= Ah Gee there goes pale again = off topic think again.

When was the last time you saw on TV or heard on the radio or read in a newspaper the awful facts about intensive factory farming or live exports which is stealing this countrys future but sending our raw materials off before value adding in our most valuable form instead of producing here.

No you have never hear that on TV Radio Newspapers= Thats my point.

Bronco and everybody
First Bronco- Thanks for the compliment. The way I see it because the system is well ioled olo is a oportunity to inform the public of the truth.

At times people like you and I are sen by others to be living in their own little world whichonly some can follow.

This isIMOP one of the biggest problems in Animal Welfare. People talk shop talk and cosed of practise and of course animal lover or not the public loose interest because they simply do not understand where these people are coming from.

So if you wondered why the post references going back pre war= Thats is why.

It goes without saying i would kill to have you in some way a part of pale even as a member because you have the education and background to fully understand where these issues first start.
I note you good intentions which show a kind nature as well.( We have tried) Believe me!

I am going back now to pick up where I left off for the benefit of those who may be interested then I look forward to posting you and anybody else who is interested to stay on topic about media.

Ah, Next post. Time to feed the horses.
Have a nice weekend All.

BTW I apoligise for typo. Our New RSPCA computers have a fault in the soft word programe. This makes letters type back to front.
I never use spell check normally because I guess i am too darn lazy but anyway even when I did it make no difference.
This means I have to go back and correct each letter of each word or leave the typo and hope you all understand it and forgive me.

I only mention this now because i dont want people to think we are arogant and dont care if we make it hard to read. That is not the case.
From time to time also our wondeful Ms Antje Struthmann posts on OLO and being Germann she does get a few words wrong.
This has been attacked more than once and Antje weas in tears which greatly angered me.

I hope that puts some of the complaints to rest. Myself I never mention spelling because there are many peopleout there with much to teach us.

Some old farmers and others that never went to school.

Well if I were stuck in the bush I know who i would rather be stuck with=An old time bushy who writes with the thum nail dipped in tar or the big time media gaint bloke with all his fancy contacts.

I am sick of the influence in regional area papers and =

I would some how rather fancy
an office with Old Clancy
Somewhere out the yonder
Where they dont know where we are

and Id employ that Jimy slithers
With The paper hed deliver
and pass the word on slowly to
our people near anf far.
It would such an easy letter
Telling folks we can do it better
That i reckon the old barky news
might travell very far.

Dear Comrades whenever you read that rag the West Australian Newspaper sing this tune to yourself it has just been e-mailed to us.
The Red Flag The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Look 'round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.
Written: 1889
Lyrics: Jim Conne copyright