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A ChristMyth message - an Atheist perspective

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David,
I merely pointed out that both, the atheist & the religious insist on putting forward their view on something they can't prove.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 29 December 2007 5:54:54 PM
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individual,

I know this may come as a surprise to you, but Atheists do not have to prove anything. Those promoting that there are gods have to prove the existence of such entities. This is especially so if they insist on interfering in politics and social mores with that point of view.

David
Posted by Atheist Foundation of Australia Inc, Saturday, 29 December 2007 6:15:42 PM
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I wish that I had something really clever to say and charm all of you
into seeing that it's allright to believe( or not), in whatever you want, as long as you're not hurting anyone or doing anything illegal.

I don't believe in labelling people, mainly because I've fought against labels all my adult life. My philosophy has always been - "Live and let live." So perhaps I'm not a very good Christian, but then I've always tried to see the good in people and not to judge...
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 29 December 2007 6:18:57 PM
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Foxy, I don't think too many atheists would claim it's not "alright to believe", though certainly plenty have concern about what those who do believe are missing out on.
Dawkin's argument against moderate religion is that it makes a virtue out of "belief without evidence", and there's enough history of what this can lead to that even moderate religion is dangerous. However, I have to say, unless there is good evidence that being exposed to moderate religion causes people to be more likely to become extremists and/or fundamentalists, it's not a super strong argument.
Posted by wizofaus, Saturday, 29 December 2007 6:58:33 PM
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Obviously atheists fail to appreciate fiction, art and immagination. I suggest they watch a few good fiction movies they might happen to appreciate thing that are not so scientific. I suggest they also tell their children fiction stories - they might also become normal people.
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 29 December 2007 9:11:04 PM
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The celebrations that happen at this time of year have been going on for centuries and in many cultures long before it was known as Christmas.

The Winter Solstice has always been a period of celebration and festivity in many cultures.
As well as the paganism of Yule, with its decorated trees, holly and other symbols, it was also the time of Saturnalia, gift-giving and mistletoe.

It’s also the birthday of several Gods: Attis, Frey, Thor, Dionysus, Osiris, Adonis, Mithra, Tammuz. Jesus and Cernunnos to name a few.

Mithra, by the way, was born on December 25, of a virgin. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and magicians [magi]. Mithra raised the dead and healed the sick and cast out demons. He returned to heaven at the spring equinox and before doing so had a last supper with his 12 disciples (representing the 12 signs of the zodiac), eating mizd, a piece of bread marked with a cross (an almost universal symbol of the sun).

December 25th was not decreed to be Jesus’ birthday until the 4th century by Roman churches (or the 7th century by churches in Jerusalem).

St. John Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople at the end of the fourth century wrote: “On this day also the Birthday of Christ was lately fixed at Rome in order that while the heathen were busy with their profane ceremonies, the Christians might perform their sacred rites undisturbed. They call this (December 25th), the Birthday of the Invincible One (Mithras); but who is so invincible as the Lord? They call it the Birthday of the Solar Disk, but Christ is the Sun of Righteousness.”

Therefore, despite the origins and rewritten mythologies, most of the customs that surround Christmas are strictly pagan in origin – including the date - and most of what’s left has been hijacked by Santa Claus and the almighty dollar.

Nevertheless I hope everybody has an enjoyable celebration - Christian, Heathen, Pagan, Heretic and Infidel alike.

That's a luxury of not being burdened with the need to convert anybody else to my beliefs.
Posted by wobbles, Saturday, 29 December 2007 9:24:07 PM
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