PALEIF: "Thanks, I will send both if thats ok."

Actually it's not. My comment was part of a discussion in this forum and I'd prefer it if it remained in this context, particularly if you want to quote me on an external website.

Not being nasty, but I've been quite appalled at your tendency in this forum to claim the support of all kinds of people with whom you've had some minimal level of interaction. I'm not at all confident that you wouldn't misrepresent me in those terms, so I don't give permission for you to forward my comments here to the RSPCA or anywhere else, I'm afraid.

Nothing personal, of course.

dickie: "Perhaps CJ you should pay attention and read what the author of this thread had to say"

Fair enough, dickie. I missed the fact that cuphandle had changed the subject of his/her thread when s/he didn't like the way people were responding.

Feel free to rave on about the insidious cruelty of man to farm animals.

"Feel free to rave on about the insidious cruelty of man to farm animals." (CJ Morgan)

Thank you Herr Commandant.

CJ Morgan
No offense taken.
Your short story was nice, well written with a main stream approach to Animals in General.
RSPCA QLD are very active with their web page and I thought yours fitted the main stream fair go approach adopted by them. We are always on the look out for different little main stream peices written by members of the public. Yours I thought would be perfect.

To put your doubts at ease about pale we run pale which is people against live exports in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.
In other words we run the Ban Live Export side of things.
However we do not do anything regarding Intensive Farming in Conjunction with RSPCA QLD
That is why we have our own identidy.
As for our MOUs with Aboriginal Council and Islamic Leaders such as AFIC that is also inderpendant of RSPCA however strongly supported by our wonderful RSPCA CEO of QLD
I am afriad it all gets a little political from time to time as we do our best to uphold our MOUS with the different groups of people.
Because of that We cant put links to forums up but thank you for your kind offer.
Happy new Year to all again if I didnt say it before.
PS CJ
The Title is Animal Festivals and that very much as Dickie said comes under the cruelty of Animal Festival such as in ME and here at Christmass so I fully support her.
Anyway- Why when you see can to utter barbaric treatment of Animals at these festivals wish to split hairs over a title thread.
Its barbaric. Its unforgivable and Australia is the largest guilty live animal trader in the world. Thats a fact.
Well not in my name
SHAME

Let us be quite clear on the topic here, dickie.

>>the Animal Welfare Refuges [are] appealing to the members of the public to please consider the fate of their "unwanted" pets... many selfish holidaymakers dump their animals, rather than pay to put them into care... Maybe every person aquiring a pet for their child or themselves should be compelled... if a pet owner decides to "hand in" a pet to avoid payment of "care fees"... unless we can come up with an alternative, we will have no other option than to ban completely the ownership of both Cats and Dogs in all Residential areas... I would be interested to hear the communities views on these issues<<

I think I made my views clear.

>>If you consider pet ownership to be cruel, then you must surely view the treatment of our factory farmed animals as an abomination?<<

There are two separate situations here, which you are trying to muddle together.

The first is the topic as stated - what to do about the pet problem. My view is that pets are a total indulgence. And that we should be big enough to accept that what we are putting these animals through is simply an animal version of slavery. They have no say in the matter, they are allowed to live in return for being fed and housed. And - as the original post points out - are discarded when the owner is bored with them.

Animals kept for food come into a completely different category. Unless we all become vegetarians overnight - which, I suggest, would be a significantly more difficult stunt to pull off than just banning domestic pets - there will be a need to grow animals purely for the meat on their bones. No pretence at affection or loyalty, just plain straightforward supply-and-demand commerce.

In that context, unnecessary cruelty - given that we intend to kill the beasts anyway - is of course abhorrent. But to confuse the two arguments is to do neither of them justice.

Have a great day, and a happy new year.

CJ Morgan

Actually Re read your comment.

It was rude. Uncalled for.
Pale has always provided information of contacts with all our different projects . Ample information complete with pictures phone numbers and contact details.


I will post this link in the hope you actually look at it- You will see the Leaders of The Muslim Community’s in Australia sitting up here with our CEO RSPCA QLD and our MOU information. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.-

http://www.halakindmeats.com/

If you scroll down further you will see Media Releases from Australians Muslim Leaders in conjunction with us asking the Government and the media to be responsible when reporting on the real reasons that lie behind the cruel live animal trade.

The Aboriginal MOU projects and work are there as well for all to see.

This Web Page is of course up on the RSPCA QLD web site as well as AFIC.

You will also see the NSW Humane Society there as well by way of statement.

Then if you read long enough you will see the first submission and the second from Muslim Leaders ever in Australia to our Senate Enquiry into Animal Welfare with suggested alternatives to the Live Trade.
It’s all there to see CJ.
And here is our pale web site again-

http://www.livexports.com/

This is us on RSPCA QLD site

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/campaigns/liveexporttrade/

And here is Our AMIEU Work Scroll down, left column
http://www.amieu.asn.au/pages.php?recid=65

This one is several thousand people who do not agree with you CJ-

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

I am just wondering what else you want.
We have always supplied ample evidence of who we are and what we do. With whom - “Always!”
However the bottom line is- We are just people like Dickie and Nicky and Penny who care enough about Animals and this countries reputation world wide to try to make changes for the better.

Cuphandle is interested as the author Percilces and the title is festivals!
That aside its clear yourself CJ etc are here to waiste our time Dickie and others so I dont think we should repond to their chilish comments