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Justice And a Ten Year Old Child

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Romany, as requested
A range of material from The Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22916179-601,00.html
A CourierMail article on a follow up investigation
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22915391-952,00.html
Mention of another case
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22912668-3102,00.html

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 13 December 2007 6:26:20 AM
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I think this is the best argument I have so far seen against multiculturalism.

If the Europeans had learned the Aboriginal ways when they first came here instead of insisting on retaining their own culture, then compounding the problem by imposing their alien religions, we wouldn't be having these discussions today.

There is nothing in aboriginal culture that supports the concept of child rape, so they must have learned it from the settlers. All the literature I have so far seen on the topic talks in terms of "cultural disintegration, unresolved community trauma and racial abuse", none of which existed prior to European settlement.

However warped his view of the world may be, Scotty comes closest to an understanding that this is "white guilt" than even he realizes. He is talking about the laxity in sentencing, but the problem is far deeper than just that.

Our collective presence here over two short centuries has created a major problem. No amount of saying sorry, or throwing ever increasing amounts of money into the guilt-pot, can turn back the clock.

But since those appear to be the limits of our ability to propose solutions, we should expect nasty, stomach-churning events like this to continue to occur from time to time.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 13 December 2007 9:05:16 AM
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Foxy, the self-righteous content of your posts with your anti-White attutude attracts your leftist label. Think about it, your automatic response is 'racism' as if that is the be-all and end-all of all the ills in the world. Actually, the term is becoming a bit hackneyed now and hopefully a more realisticscapegoat term will emerge.

I note that you never addressed the rest of my post, just the part that suited you.

Another leftist diatribe is your 'genocide in Australia'. Talk about living in the past. We've all moved on in the last century so maybe you should 'get over it'. I've forgiven the Sassenachs for the Clearances (genocide in Scotland).

I don't derive any particular pleasure from labelling people, they usually do it for themselves. As you have, apparently, pleasured yourself by inventing a label for me, it's a pity that you don't want to share it. I like a laugh.

Pericles, I found your statement 'There is nothing in aboriginal culture that supports the concept of child rape, so they must have learned it from the settlers. All the literature I have so far seen on the topic talks in terms of "cultural disintegration, unresolved community trauma and racial abuse", none of which existed prior to European settlement.' very interesting. I've never heard that before. Could you point to further sources on this as I would prefer to be informed of all sides of the mater.
Posted by Jack the Lad, Thursday, 13 December 2007 11:23:52 AM
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Delighted to help, Jack the Lad

I nicked the phrase itself from:

http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/reports/wabrief.pdf

...but there's more here:

http://www.nt.gov.au/dcm/inquirysaac/pdf/report_by_sections/bipacsa_final_report-part_1.pdf

and its companion

http://www.nt.gov.au/dcm/inquirysaac/pdf/report_by_sections/bipacsa_final_report-part_2.pdf

here too...

http://www.reconciliation.org.au/downloads/156/dodson_press_club.doc

and a little bit here:

http://www.ards.com.au/media/media19.htm

For a deeper understanding of the emotions and verbal calisthenics that accompany a debate such as this, it is also worth checking out the running battle of words between Louis Nowra (of "Bad Dreaming" fame), and his supporters and opponents.

I always find it helpful to remind myself that for every apparent "answer" there are at least two further questions.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 13 December 2007 3:16:04 PM
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Dear Jack-the-Lad,

Re-read your post and then tell me again that you are being fair.

Labelling people must satisfy something inside you - or perhaps as you said - it's good for a laugh.

That's what the Communists did when they occupied the country of my family. They laughed a lot. Many members of my family perished in Siberia.

But you go ahead and laugh ...
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 6:25:57 PM
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I forgot to add that I detest labels of any kind because I've been fighting them all of my life beginning with 'wog.' (Even though I was born in this country).

Self-righteous - who me? Yes, I suppose I am, when I'm defending myself. But then aren't we all?

As for racism - well, I was looking at this child's situation and wondering if things would have been handled differently had she been white?

I'm glad that you can move on Jack, but people who have suffered great abuse personally can't do it as easily as you can. And if you can't sympathise at least have the decency not to be flippant about things you haven't experienced.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 December 2007 7:19:20 PM
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