mjpb, I'll be more than happy to defend christains when I see them being unfairly attacked. I have even spoken in Boazy's defense on a couple of occasions (sorry CJ).

I'm not refering to an response to a christain poster in the habit of living by the sword but if I see what I consider an unreasonable attack I try to bring balance. I don't always get that right nor always have the energy to intervene but I do try.

I've not seen any attempts to have the christain faith banned dispite the clear link between christain belief and extreme christain fundamentalism.

I've seen no attempts to brand christains as paedophiles despite the clear link between sections of the church and child sexual abuse even in the face of the attempts by a number of christains to claim a particular link between homosexuals and paedophiles. As with Boazy attacking acceptance of gay marriage on the basis of the risks of social change while pointedly ignoring the history of villification of mixed race marriages the christain church is living in a glass house when it comes to attacking homosexuals over child abuse. Most are innocent but your own house is not in order.

We have a some christains on the site who understand something of Jesus character and teaching and do credit to their faith. We have the capital J christains determined to bash everybody else with their faith who do a great disservice to the christain message.

R0bert

Couldnt have said it better R0bert. As usual you do bring a balanced and sensible voice to the debate. Now, if only others would pick up on the "do unto others" bit, we might be able to advance the discussion without the usual nastiness, but I wont be holding my breath.

wizofaus what do you mean 'demonstrate'? Anal sex is filthy and unnatural. I'm certainly not going to demonstrate it. How about you?

turnrightthenleft, for a reBUTTal, see above.

Too many heterophobes on this forum. Because some of us see their perversions as disgusting, they howl in protest at us 'homophobes' (I'm not - houses don't scare me). Or the other favourite is that we're all Christian fundies. So why do I, an athiest, see bum-boys as being revolting?

Funny you should mention heterophobes, Jack.

You can read all about the insidious Heterosexual Agenda here:

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,015.htm

Dear Jack The Lad,

It's your right to see whoever you want as - 'revolting.' But, it's people's rights that we're talking about here - not judgements.
You are entitled to think what you want - but you're not entitled to deny others their legal rights. That's all!

Jack the Lad, I posted a bunch of links to material on the causes of homophobia recently http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=6644#99444

Quick summary of main causes for homophobia
- Religiously inspired
- Fighting an attraction for gay sex (homophobes are much more likely to be sexually aroused by gay porn than tollerant hetrosexual's)
- Personal issues which let something you don't like play too much of a part in your life. Anal sex is not in my list of things to do either but nobody is asking me to do it so it's not my problem. There are probably women around who would find the idea of sex with you disgusting - should you be banned from having sex at all because somebody else finds the idea repulsive?

If you really do think it's revolting (rather than being in denial about an attraction to gay sex) then stop thinking about it. Leave it to those who want to do it.

As for hetrophobes - are you incapable of liking something yourself without trying to deny others the opportunity to follow different preferences?

R0bert