See the YouTube video at AlertActive.blogspot.com then post your thoughts here to keep this thread live !

Good grief... do you think we are

-Brain dead
-Ignorant of history
-Naive about life
-Easily sucked in
-Plain stupid ?

that we would accept your "I am not a member of any activist or political party"

I'm tempted to get a 100,000 bottle tops and put YOUR picture on it and add the words "Mislead, Naive, Biased, Uninformed, Half truths, pawn of various people" on it.

The biggest error in your whole presentation is the ASSUMPTION that there are politicians 'out there' who have recently had a cleansing of their souls and will actually tell the truth, live the truth, and spread the truth about all matters. RUBBISH !

When it comes to international relations and Iraq, Afghanistan, WMD, etc.. there is so much DISinformation out there which you have clearly swallowed hook line and sinker, uncritically, and have launched out on an emotional crusade of self justification and seeking to tear down people 'you' perceive as evil.. when if the truth be known, there is no one who is not to some degree in this condition.

You remind me of the typical Philippino "Opposition" they ALWAYS cry "get rid of corrrrrrruption" yet 5 miliseconds after they get power.. they are the same.

Give us.... a break. We are too experienced and wise to fall for such shallow and rediculous ploys as yours.

Boazy, you do protest too much. But hey, it is only your opinion. Problem is, you all too often come across as a self-righteous bigot who often calls the kettle black.

"Good grief... do you think we are

-Brain dead
-Ignorant of history
-Naive about life
-Easily sucked in
-Plain stupid ?

... when it comes to international relations and Iraq, Afghanistan, WMD, etc.. there is so much DISinformation out there which you have clearly swallowed hook line and sinker, uncritically, and have launched out on an emotional crusade of self justification and seeking to tear down people 'you' perceive as evil.

Give us.... a break"

Q&A's quite right, of course - there's more than a touch of hypocrisy in Boazy's hysterical response to what is quite a tame anti-Liberal video. At various times I've thought that Boazy's comments are

"-Brain dead
-Ignorant of history
-Naive about life
-Easily sucked in
-Plain stupid ?"

AlertActive's not pushing any party line in the video - rather he's expressing his disaffection for the appalling Howard gavernment, which he's quite entitled to do. The 'bottletop' picture is a clever means of drawing attention to the lying rodent's record, and I would have thought that Boazy, as a vociferous supporter of YouTube, would be the last to complain about the use of the medium in this way.

But of course, Boazy's hypocrisy in political matters knows no bounds.

BD, now's your chance to set the record straight, once and for all.

Which one of the statements is a "half-truth"?

What content can be portrayed as "disinformation"?

Who is really on "an emotional crusade of self justification"?

Shooting the messenger doesn't work unless you are prepared to back up arguments with facts.

I think this link is potentially a far more controversial observation on what sort of country we are becoming.

http://ns1.clev6.com/~waxaudio/cpr/02_You_Better_Run_You_Better_Take_Cover.mp3 (language warning for the faint-hearted!)

Doesn't it prove what a wonderful nation we live in when even the moronic have all that time on their hands to act...well, moronically.

And they get applauded for it. Wow, the guy drew a picture - he obviously has special insight into the political affairs of the nation.

Next leadership debate we get rid of the worm and give each contender an easel and some crayons. Best "what-I-did-on-my-holidays" picture wins.

Struth, election campaigns really bring out the nutters.

Looks like Alteractive is a wannabee Michael Moore. He certainly makes as much sense. Maybe if he hadn't drank the contents of the 50,000 bottles..

Hi RACHE

well we have covered this ground a few times, but the usual thing from leftoids is:

a) Iraq and Afghanistan are 'Illegal' wars.
b) WMD were not found (implying they did not exist)
c) Because of "b" above, "a" is thus justified in their minds.

You could add a liberal sprinkling of "9/11 was CIA/mossad" and you would have pretty much the full current leftoid agenda :)

But to limit the scope to something managable, lets take WMD's.

I've provided links to the report of General Sada, Iraqi pilot who, with others FLEW the WMD's to Syria prior to the US invading. But because that does not fit the leftoid political agenda... it is written of as 'He is selling a book'...... (gee..if I applied that to John Pilger how would it be ? :)

So...on that point alone.. it pretty much shows the amazing bias of the author of this thread.

CJ... >>he's expressing his disaffection for the appalling Howard gavernment<<

Ur quite entitled to describe them as 'appalling' and in certain instances I quite agree with you. But you also show your political bias by calling them "appalling" as an all encompassing descripto, rather than singling out specific examples.

So...there you go :) I don't know how anyone can find 'self justification' there.. because I've not specifically supported one party over another in my comments ...have I ?

All I did was point out the bias and entrenched attitude in the topic.

Please get off your self-righteous pedestal BOAZ-David, you are doing more harm to your faith than you realise by displaying your own bias, bigotry and hypocrisy.

You too are displaying an entrenched attitude to the topic – lighten up.

When will you realise that the world’s problems will never be overcome with the attitudes of people like you? It is not about; leftoids vs rightoids, Christianity vs Muslim, East vs West, Us vs Them, communism vs fascism, etc. etc. etc.

Jesus preached love and understanding, peace and compassion – and please … don’t roll out the verses.

Unless people like BD are prepared to respect people’s differences and work together to a common good, nothing will ever get better.

There are intransigent fundamentalists on all sides, has BOAZ-David demonstrated his here?

Well I suppose you stick your head in the DRY dirt about all that could interest your future, but if you could spare a two hour background then I would advice you to look at this film. It is not fable but fact!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&q=endgame+alex+jones+duration%3Along&total=19&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=4

listen, if you are really not an activist, and I give you a presumption of innocence in this if for nothing else than because you worked hard with that stuff, your problem is NOT with the liberal party.

You seem to focus your contempt on one person and one person alone. Weather or not he personally at fault hard to say. He is a polly who works others.

But the end result is a growing disenchantment of his OWN people saying this is so from Menzies vision, it is hard to call liberal anymore. Listen or look up the great man's vision. It would worth a just representation as it is more relevant today then it was then.

Sadly, this is NOT that party. Costello would be well advised to make a new one just like Menzies did then. Save that I can't see how he could redeem those smirks of a wisecrack but obedient hubby.

BOAZ, I'd be interested in Sada's claims if he could back them in in some way. He never actually saw the WMDs being moved first-hand and didn't actually participate in their transportation. He was only told about this by anonymous and unnamed cilivian sources and no other top-ranking officers have come forward to support his claims.
If his claims were true and could be supported, why didn't we invade Syria? Maybe he has an agenda.

Some previous claims include -

Somebody called Nayirah who told the UN and Congress that Iraqi soldiers removed babies from their incubators and left them to die on the cold hospital floors of Kuwait City, but this was later proven to be a lie.

There were also stories about a people shredder and mobile chemical labs that were also later found to be false.

Likewise the intricate network of underground tunnels and high-tech command centres in Afghanistan never existed.

A famous Iraqi defector named Rafid Ahmed Alwan ("Curveball") claimed to be a chemical engineer who had been in charge of a facility at Djerf al Nadaf that was making mobile biological weapons but this was also found to be a lie.

These sorts of claims, like children overboard, are eagerly believed and deliberately spread by vested government interests but it's only the "leftoids" who challenge them who are accused of disinformation.

Now we see the same things softening up public opinion over Iran.

By the way, dissent is also a vital part of any democracy.