Hi mhaze,
>>"Chinese wages aren't too high for China,"

The zero wages that the Uighurs earn are never too high.
The wealth the CCP earn from those workers is always too high.

But heh, we can solve that problem by unionising the slaves. What a bozo.<<

Bozo...

You want to kow what's stupid?

When you brought up the issue of too many immigrants
And you did so in a really valid way I thought...
And then Paul said 'racist' and then then you threw yourself on the ground and rolled around on the ground trying to defend the accusation...
- To your valid argument...

So now, because I pointed out that the beef tariff only applied to beef in excess of 205,000 tonnes, which you curiously omitted when you brought it up yourself;
Now you want to throw 'Uighur' at me, like you think somehow I'm now supposed to throw myself on the ground and roll around in feces trying to defend your most clever response? (idiot)

How should one describe this modern form of communication and discussion?

One person says a single word, and the other person should lay on the ground in the fetal position and piss a little, just like when they say 'anti-semite'?

Let me ask all you all
What exactly do you want?

Do you want China to increase wages so OUR cost of living goes up a bit more? YES or NO
Tell me what do you really want?

And as for the unions, well they kept pushing year after year for increased wages, where did that get us?

Hows the Australian motor vehicle manufacturing Unions going?
Are they all doing well for themselves and their members?
Probably became Prime Minister and all the auto workers lost their jobs..

Americans complaining, 'We can't compete!'
Weren't saying that when handing out redundancies and offshoring the jobs, with dollar signs in their eyes.
- The wages weren't too low then.

They sold the farm for a quick buck, now they're unhappy because someone else owns the farm and is doing better than them.

Hi ttbn,

>>It's not a matter of how “high"Chinese wages are, it is how low they are that is the worry for Western countries.

In Australian dollars, the average for Chinese workers is $26k-$38k.

In Australia it is $107k.

In America it is $90k.<<

Have you ever heard of Purchasing Power Parity?
Or maybe I should ask a simpler question, so you get this.

Google? how much is a can of coke in china

AI Overview
A can of Coca-Cola in China typically costs between ¥2.5 and ¥4 RMB (about $0.35 to $0.55 USD at current exchange rates).Prices vary slightly depending on where you buy it:Supermarkets and Convenience Stores (e.g., 7-Eleven, FamilyMart): Usually ¥3 to ¥4 RMB.Street Vendors and Local Grocers: Often as low as ¥2.5 RMB.Airports, Train Stations, and Tourist Sites: Can go up to ¥5 RMB or more due to higher rent and premiums.

So between 50 cents and a dollar there and between $3 to $4.50 here?

It's not about what they earn it's about what they can buy with it.
Cost of living in China is, on average, 57.9% lower than in Australia.
Rent in China is, on average, 71.4% lower than in Australia.

Aries

No to you again, I'm afraid. The “hypocrisy of the USA imposing tariffs on other countries because they use slave labour” is not not in line with ‘this’ thread - actually ‘my’ thread, and I know what it is about. If you misunderstood the topic, I am sorry.

There is no slavery in the U.S. Nobody who receives a wage is a slave.

And it's not a matter of difference of opinion on the meaning of words. There is nothing unambiguous about slavery, which is forced, unpaid labour and actual assumed ownership of a human being.

Even the Left's penchant for changing language and using the incorrect word often enough to make their arguments seem legitimate can't get around that.

Tip. Replace ‘slavery’ with ‘exploitation” and you might get more people agreeing with you.

In the meantime: no slavery in America, and therefore, no “double standard” from Trump. Could he have picked a better reason to threaten 54 countries to backing away from China? I think that he could have; but maybe he is not all that different from other politicians and listens to the wrong advice. Perhaps he is losing his touch. But, that doesn't detract from his right, and responsibility as leader of the free world to expect his allies to help restrain the common enemy, China, and withdraw privileges and ‘special treatment’ from those who don't shape up - e.g Australia.

Why is China 'the common enemy'? please explain.
China's not my enemy, and I don't want any 'privileges' or ‘special treatment’ from America.
When people like you talk like this 'common enemy' and clutching onto loser America's skirt, it's no wonder China sanctions us.

You're in love with an America in it's former glory, but you fail to realise the toothpaste just can't go back into the tube.

America is not getting its manufacturing back.
It's not going to persuade foreign countries to manufacture there.
It's not going to pay off its debts.
It's not going to regain it's former glory.
It's weapons aren't suddenly going to become both affordable or effective.
It not going to ever be able to compete with China, whose wages and energy costs are much cheaper.

I don't support sanctions, but I've got absolutely no problem with personal boycotts. If you don't want to buy cheap stuff from China then don't.
Boycott all Chinese goods ttbn, I'd like to see you go for a whole week.

But if you wish to increase the cost of living and take food off Aussie tables by increasing the cost of everything for some pie in the sky dream that somehow we can compete then you are the enemy, not China.

You ever heard the saying stop worrying about what others are doing and worry about what you're doing?

That applies here.
If you think Chinas wages are too low, then maybe you should support Aussie wages lowered to the same level so we can compete.

That would be 'US' taking responsibility for our own problems, instead of blaming others.

What next, do you want to abuse your neighbour because his wife might be prettier than yours too?

- That's about how stupid this is -

Who made China great again?
- We did, now stop complaining.

Do you even actually comprehend that America is so broke, it cant even afford to be world policeman anymore, and its drawing down NATO troop deployments and equipment?

America's had it.
Let's see how well they make it through the end of the year.

Hi AC,

I believe that our forum buddy ttbn, "leaves the Chinese shite to shite buyers". No way as an aged pensioner would he buy cheap CHINESE junk like the K-mart 'Anko' 2 Slice Toaster @ $7.50, rather going up market with the made in Great Britain 'Dualit' 2 Slice Toaster @ $199.99, available where all the rich snobs shop. He could even have a spare 'Dualit' for when the visitors pop in...Ah then again there's always the Aussie toaster, a twig off a gum tree over a camp fire, toast while you're roasting a Koala, that's free!