Hi ttbn,

"Yes again to 'free' trade. Australia will never have industry while Chinese goods are tariff-free. Albanese's and Wong's snivelling to China for fuel is pathetic, when we should be self-sufficient, and not just taking off roof racks and putting a couple of extra kps in the tyres. How silly do these bastards think we are!"

I have trouble understanding this line of thinking.
Let's say you put a 100% tariff on Chinese goods.

Do you not understand how much the price of everything will go up?
- Because more or less EVERYTHING manufactured that we use comes from China now.
So costs of everything will absolutely skyrocket across the board.

Do you think you can make an Aussie toaster and put it on the shelf retailing at $15 to compete with the chinese one at $7.50?
http://www.kmart.com.au/product/2-slice-toaster-white-42663881/
I think that's doubtful.
And so everyone in the country is paying a lot more for everything and the government has all this extra tariff money, but only if we keep buying the foreign made goods.
Is that not just another tax?
What do you use the extra tax for, subsidise industry?

So steal from all Australians at the checkout, and give subsidies to one company (and make them rich hoping the benefits trickle down) who can hire Australians on minimum wage to make $15 toasters that we could've already gotten for $7.50.

To me it does more harm than it does good.
We're better off getting the cheaper foreign made $7.50 toaster.

I absolutely agree with you though about self sufficiency.
But that doesn't necessary mean I think we should pay double for everything just for some idea or principle.

It doesn't build wealth for Australians if combined we spend 200 million on toasters instead of 100 million on toasters, when they both do exactly the same thing.

Ttbn said- "I agree with you on Angus Taylor. He will be stabbed in the back by wets. His deputy leader is a lefty. The party is riddled with lefties, including Tim Wilson. "

Answer- It's a little complicated but yes Libertarian's are Liberals according to Patrick Deneen.

I consider Churchill to be more wet than Chamberlain who seemingly was undone by the British media after Hitler broke his agreement. In a sense Chamberlain resigned because of the betrayal of British media rather than that of Hitler. Churchill was white anting Chamberlain (in moves that were reminiscent of Marxist tactics) for a while, a low move. Britain and Europe was broken after the war. History rushed to justify the allies actions, and the US was elevated to superpower status, seemingly on the back of the myth of German dreams of world domination, rather than getting back German national stolen lands ("revanchism") and unifying the Germanic peoples (so much for uniting the people much talked about within the union movement). But Hitler said he wanted to elevate Europe and protect European identity- in the current world of identity politics how do we rationalize the paradox of identity by Hitler and Wokeism- surely if Woke identity is valid so is Hitler's- of course it's always important to consider the means by which identity is preserved. In the end it seems that Hitler wanted to protect Germany and Europe, but Britain wanted to maintain dominance in Europe as they had since the Treaty Of Westphalia, and everyone lost because they couldn't agree on a plan, there were errors in judgement on all sides, and things got a little out of control. At the end they were looking for someone to blame.

We see the similar things in the European Union- cracking under the strain- founded on faulty principles- another failed product of attempted cooperation by disingenuous self serving "leaders"

Most Traditionalist's believe in preserving their identity, Paul1405 seemingly believes in preserving Aboriginal identity. Not sure why it's ok for Paul1405 but not for a bad dog, to preserve their identity- but everyone hates and wants to kill a bad dog- and they say the dog is the bigot.

It seems that Thomas Sewell and Tommy Robinson also believe in preserving their identity. I'm proud of Australia's fight against the German's in the war, even though I sometimes wonder if it was the right decision, but I'm also proud that Thomas and Tommy are standing up for my identity, even though I might be uncertain about some things they say or the way they say it. I understand that sometimes it's important that you say something when you see something wrong, even if it doesn't always come out right- sometimes you have to be controversial, even offensive- sometimes things get out of control. Personally I don't think that Tom or Tommy have met the threshold for terrorism- and I don't think that I can trust the AFP or ASIO to act objectively- or even understand what Tom and Tommy stands for. Most of the officers in the AFP and ASIO are just trying to keep their jobs- but the Stazi said the same thing. I think that the authorities including the AFP/ ASIO have become politicized by Woke Marxist governments. I believe that some of these governments should have been brought to the Governor General by the ASIO chief long before now due to treason against Australia, ASIO have warned about the risk enough times. But I suspect in spite of any treasonous political spirit it hasn't crossed the threshold, from plausible deniability, into something that ASIO has to act upon- yet. Sadly only the ASIO chief can initiate treason actions against a standing PM and even then it requires a joint sitting of parliament, which currently would keep the traitor. I believe that the power to initiate treason against a PM needs to be expanded to other institutions, to reduce risk of a coup.

Marxism sadly does seem to be within striking distance of reaching the threshold tipping point to dominate the world, ostensibly in the name of the slaves. Our ancestors in military service stood for us at great risk to themselves for what was right by us, I don't trust our AFP/ ASIO/ or police to do the same, captured by mass formation psychosis.

Hi Indy,

With your simple mind, no all oceans are at the same level, no unlike the sense you think of your bathtub being level with your rubber ducky floating around. The oceans are a bit more complex than that.

"No, the oceans are not all at the same level. Even without tides, permanent "hills" and "valleys" exist across the global ocean surface due to differences in ocean currents, Earth's gravity, wind patterns, and water density."

Hi ttbn,

"America intends to require that non-citizens living in America" Do you think it would be a good idea if they had something sown onto their clothing to identify those horrible non-citizens, maybe a star or something would identify them.

Hi AC,

It can be a trap to only associate cheap goods with cheap labour, as in the case of "toasters" and China/Australia. Economies of scale, investment, technology, world markets, technology they all play a part.
The Australian market for "TOASTERS" maybe only 1,500,000 p/a or 0.75% of total Chinese production of 200,000,000 annually. The Australian market is saturated with 90% of toasters sold are replacement, there's no growing market. There is no way a Australian toaster maker could compete, so it goodbye 'Sunbeam'.
The BEEF market is a different story, and it doesn't include cheap labour, its based on very efficient Australian production.

These Old Farts fools who think we can just cut off trade with China, bung on 1000% tariffs and produce everything for ourselves, and hope the Chinese wont notice, are living in Gar-Gar Land.

Lads,

I want you to brush up on your Tuvaluan national anthem, so when the first boat load arrives you can welcome them with a patriotic rendition. ttbn you can be lead vocals. Indy you can do an ethnic dance to make em' feel at home..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IvAnnq0Egg&t=49s

I just don't understand the logic.
You say we are good at raising cattle, then we should do more of that.
Different countries have different resources, isn't it pragmatic to use the blessings you have?

Not make every Aussie pay double the price so some 16 year old can work for minimum wage in a toaster manufacturing factory so we can all enjoy the luxury of having $15 toasters instead of $7.50 toasters.

Because this isn't just pointless, it's also stupid.

Why don't people just advocate for the government to just help themselves to peoples wallets, starting with their own of course.
- Here take what ever you like Albo, help yourself.
They don't, because THAT WOULD BE STUPID!