Here we go, Mhaze shifts the goal posts again. Suddenly "Welcome to country was invented by Ernie Dingo" becomes the first time it was performed for white people. As you love to point out sunshine ... two entirely different topics.

Apart from denying that the ceremony in some form has existed for millennia, (the article referenced by Rhian opens with "... An indigenous Australian tradition millennia-old, Welcome to Country’s mainstream popularity began to snowball 40 years ago.")

Mhaze's extensive and lazer focus on accurate research makes this claim:
Its quite likely that aboriginal societies didn't have a Welcome ceremony because they didn't welcome their neighbours but instead fought interminable wars against those who adjoined their land.

"... It's quite likely ..." that that is something Mhaze pulled out of his arse yet again.

And finally I love Paul's analogy when talking about that galling statement that indigenous people 'should' be 'happy' that they were invaded by the British when he says it's like saying "... The Jews should be thankful it was the cultured Germans stuffing them in the gas chambers, and not the uncivilised Slavs!..."

"Here we go, Mhaze shifts the goal posts again. Suddenly "Welcome to country was invented by Ernie Dingo" becomes the first time it was performed for white people."

Where did I say it was merely the first time performed for whites? No goalpost shifting here, just Aries running for cover. Just making stuff up isn't a good look. As I said to Paul elsewhere, if you need to fabricate to make a point and you KNOW you need to fabricate, that says it all.

Now back to the issue...

After Dingo and Walley created the ceremony, they were happy to talk about their inventiveness. But them came the backlash since they were admitting it was invented. So then they, especially Walley, started claiming it was based on some ancient practice....claims he only made AFTER he was criticised for admitting it was invented.

Again, there is no evidence the pre-1788 people practiced such a ceremony. (Nor the pre-1976 people for that matter). "Major ethnographic works (e.g., A.P. Elkin's classic The Australian Aborigines) do not describe a formalized "Welcome to Country" ritual akin to today's version. Critics note the absence of widespread documentation in colonial records, explorer accounts, or early anthropology for public welcomes to outsiders in the modern sense."

Reading accounts from early explorers and escaped convicts who lived for long periods in tribal Aboriginal tribes yields no examples of such ceremonies. Sturt's diaries don't mention it even when he came across friendly groups.

It didn't exist, probably because they rarely welcomed adjacent tribes to their land. Warfare was much more prevalent.

"that indigenous people 'should' be 'happy'"

I never used the word 'happy'. You alone did so. (See above concerning the use of fabrication to try to make a point)

I remember a thread here a while back about how it wasn't appropriate to read a prayer at the start of parliamentary sittings. In that instance the prayer is read because of standing orders voted on by the mps.

When we had the Voice referendum, I remember a campaigner saying that we could all forget about wtc/aoc if the Yes vote didn't prevail. Who knows what effect that threat had on the vote. The claim is that wtc/aoc has strong public support, but I've not seen polling nor much interest in proving the point.

Perhaps the No vote prevailed because most people felt that your heritage did not make you more important as an Australian citizen. Similarly with ANZAC Day ceremonies, what is of relevance is perhaps the service and sacrifice of veterans.

Does anyone know of any petitions about the matter?

mhaze you probably think that we lighter skinned people are like the Israelis and that the Indigenous are like the Palestinians, right?

Hi Trumpster,

You're in good company, a 24 year old Neo-Nazi Eli Toby has been charged by NSW Police after booing at Sydney's ANZAC Dawn Service in Martin Place. Seems you'll be one short at your next clan meeting.

Trumpster where is your evidence for this claim;

"ts quite likely that aboriginal societies didn't have a Welcome ceremony because they didn't welcome their neighbours but instead fought interminable wars against those who adjoined their land."

Where is your evidence for these "interminable wars" you claim took place

"The claim is that wtc/aoc has strong public support, but I've not seen polling nor much interest in proving the point."

Maybe it's not about having support.

We elect some 'lesser evil'...
Paying too much attention to voting someone OUT
New leader comes in, they sell us out, do what they want...
Do all this stuff the majority would never support...

And they say 'Well you all voted me in'

- So maybe its not about support mhaze, but obviously they have to claim it is.

It's really about enough people standing against it loudly enough to oppose it when politicians do the 'do whatever they want' part.

I watched this video yesterday, and I thought about this 'booing'.

I've haven't cared much for ANZAC Day for the last few years.
It feels like an opportunity for politicians to grandstand and make themselves relevant, promote the next war and drum up some support for military spending...
And the ANZACs, well I'm a descendant on both my mother and fathers sides, and these last few decades has felt like every other day of the year EXCEPT ANZAC Day these same politicians ingratiating themselves of ANZAC Day more or less attack the (white ANZAC decendants) for being racist and nationalist far-right pieces of shite...

But as for the the day itself, none of us have any right to disrespect it or take the day away from other Australians,

- Or so I thought...

I watched this video.
It was the best argument I heard so far that maybe, just maybe, the outbursts were possibly 'required' as unfortunate as it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3TdI9Kj_A
(SKY News, and no anti-semitic hysteria, very strange)

And I thought, maybe we are putting all this up on too much of a podum anyway.
If the ANZACS were alive, many of whom died young on the battlefield...
What would they think about all this, really?
I wonder what would offend them most about Australia in 2026?

Maybe the fact that it came to this, ON AN ANZAC Day, might mean we should've taken the issue more seriously earlier?