Matthew Gruter, a South African citizen who has been in Australia since 2022 is getting the boot. Seems the last straw as far as the government is concerned was when Gruter took part in an anti-Jewish protest outside the New South Wales parliament organised by the National Socialist Network. Although Gruter has committed no crime (that we know of) whilst in Australia, he is now awaiting deportation in the Villawood Detention Centre for his activism within the White Supremacist Movement.

I would think the vast majority of fair minded Australians don't agree with Mr Gruter's "blood and honour" notions, but he does have a right to his beliefs, providing he's not calling for the violent destruction of others. Australia's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke said Mr Gruter's visa had been cancelled on "character grounds", adding that those who attended the rally were not "patriotic". "Multicultural Australia and modern Australia are the same thing... They hate modern Australia," he said. Sarah Schwartz, executive officer of the Jewish Council of Australia, seemed rather pleased that Mr Gruter is going. But $20,000 has been donated from people in support of these Neo-Nazi's, so someone agrees with them.

What's the Forums opinion on Mr Gruter's swift kick out of Australia?

Dear Paul,

«What's the Forums opinion on Mr Gruter's swift kick out of Australia?»

1. This Gruter guy does not seem to be a nice fellow.
2. Nobody owes anyone a visa, so it was fine to cancel his visa.
3. Detaining people is a form of violence: it is cruel and not OK to detain people unless it is absolutely necessary as a last resort in self-defence against physical threat, which does not seem to be the case here.
4. While he should not be detained or deported, Gruter should be informed that he is no longer welcome in Australia and his visa has been cancelled, thus unless he leaves on the next available flight, he will no longer enjoy any protection here.

Nobody who is not an Australian citizen has any right to involve himself/herself in Australian politics. If the immigration department was up to the job, this Boer wouldn't have got a visa in the first place.

Good riddance.

However, the smirking Immigration Minister is the biggest hypocrite in the Albanese regime. He takes the credit for this one, but allows violent Islamists to stay and, in fact, actually invites them to come here.

This affair is just another example of the Minister's and his department's incompetence. Both are unfit for their jobs and should be dealt with: by the voters in the Minister's and his awful government's case, by a decent government (yet to reveal itself) in the case of the equally awful public servants in the immigration department.

Hi Paul,
I don't think non-citizens should take part in protests.

I haven't seen footage of the actual protest, so can't comment on what happened there, but I did see a photo and read an article.

They want to 'Abolish the Jewish lobby' and oppose new laws on anti-Semitism, and I agree with both of those things.

The part that makes it complicated for me is that Police allowed the protest to go ahead, so if all he did was protest without actually breaking any laws otherwise, then I disagree with the deportation, simply because they allowed the protest to go ahead, then wish to punish him for it after the fact
(Jewish lobby I bet and justifies his protest)

>>NSW Police said the demonstration had been given the green light, but NSW Police Commissioner Mal Lanyon and Premier Chris Minns said they were not given a heads-up about the rally on parliament’s doorstep.

Mr Minns condemned the group, labelling their actions a “shocking display of hatred”.<<

Seems the government were not informed about it.
(Not the protesters fault the government is incompetent)
They were caught off guard, embarrassed by it, and had to do something to appease their pissed off genocide supporting Jewish friends.

Beyond that I don't think it's racist to oppose a foreign lobby.
The question is are they registered as foreign agents.

Now, I also think about the actual Australians in that protest.
Did they have a right to protest, oppose the Jewish lobby, and oppose laws meant to prosecute Australians whenever Jewish Australians are offended?
Yes they do.

[Cont.]

Jews have been going crazy about anti-semitism during this ICC certified genocide, and whilst I don't support physically attacking Jews in Australia that had nothing to do with it, they do by and large support Israels genocide, and deserve on some level to be sneered at.

No less than I should be attacked and sneered at if I came out and said 'we need to do away with all the indigenous people in the country. Whether we shoot them, starve them, deprive them of life necessities, I don't care how we get rid of them, just as long as they're gone'.

That attitude deserves to be rebuked, and so does all the endless atrocities surrounding Zionist aims for a Jewish apartheid state and land theft.

The Jewish lobby has too much power and influence, when they are having people deported. If this man has not committed any actual crime, then I think 'fearful' Jews should just shut their mouths or go back to Israel because they seem to care more about that country than ours anyway.

Their aims for a Jewish apartheid state demonstrates their own racism and intolerance and means they should not have a Jewish lobby or a platform at all.

And Australians should not be paying over and above to protect these Jewish Australians if they themselves support the genocide and atrocities.

“No one who lives in Sydney should have to put up with that kind of hate speech on the steps of the People’s House,” he said.
- I believe the people's house was the PRECISELY APPROPRIATE VENUE for that protest.

http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/neonazi-protester-matthew-gruter-detained-after-visa-cancelled/news-story/8972714eab62538c7bd826409a8d42bb

This isn't the apartheid state of Israel.
Jews can take their apartheid leaning views and their anti-semitic critical fears, and go back to Israel if they can't accept this is not the Jewish state and that many different people including Muslims and Palestinians, and even a few Neo Nazis live here, all of whom are entitled to their opinions.

The neo-nazi is no worse and no more intolerant than those supporting a racist Jewish apartheid state and genocide and the killing of women, kids and babies for land theft.

This story is no more about Neo Nazis having a say, that it is of whingeing Jews trying to prevent some Australians from doing so.

Hi AC,

Thanks for you thoughtful comments. I as a progressive socialist would totally disagree with most of what Mr Gruter has to say, but he does have a right to say it, peacefully and without hateful intent. You said; "I don't think non-citizens should take part in protests." Mr Gruter is high profile, and easily identified, others not so, and all protests are not as "controversial" as this particular one. As for the influence of pressure groups within society, they are more dangerous than simple protesters when it comes to outcomes. I suspect in this case the Jewish lobby would have exerted pressure on the government to have this bloke kicked out. The extreme is a point where the government declares a citizen a "non-citizen" on character grounds, for disloyalty to the Fatherland, and then takes "appropriate" action...like the firing squad!

"Thanks for you thoughtful comments. I as a progressive socialist would totally disagree with most of what Mr Gruter has to say, but he does have a right to say it, peacefully and without hateful intent."

I'd probably disagree with most of what they said too.
But they do get my attention with the Israel lobby and Anti-Semitism laws.
I don't hate foreigners, don't particularly like the multicultural classification, or being labelled an immigrant when my families been here 12 generations, add 40,000 years for my part indigenous grandmother who died in a car accident before I was born.

More like-minded people and not so many so fast that Aussies are living in tents and can't afford rents. Albo should be locked up for that. I don't care about having pure white blood or any of that defending the white race NAZI stuff.
But I think if Black people can have TV programs called 'Living Black' then by some equal measure if some white one wanted to have a TV show 'Living white' it should be ok.

Don't particularly like mass immigration, and you couple that with gender and ethnicity quotas and the white male is being discriminated against. You could have a white kid grow up in a home with abusive alcoholics and then in fostor care subject to more abuse and some black person that grew up in a decent home with good parents would still whinge about white privilege and how they are disadvantaged.

You said; "I don't think non-citizens should take part in protests." Mr Gruter is high profile, and easily identified, others not so, and all protests are not as "controversial" as this particular one.
- I don't know any of them, maybe that Sewell bloke I recognise his name... but its about 'punishment' needing some poor sod to vilify, made to lose their job, and make an example of.

Read this article, and it's clear the aim is to vilify and make an example of.
http://thejewishindependent.com.au/loopholes-in-victorian-protest-bill
They couldn't allow that protest to pass without making an example of someone, cost him his job, his employer, even identify and go after the girlfriend so she can be vilified and embarrassed as well.

"I suspect in this case the Jewish lobby would have exerted pressure on the government to have this bloke kicked out."
- Exactly, and they are the ones making recommendations about law changes than benefit themselves.

It kind of offends me that there's a genocide going on, many Jews support Israel in what is happening, but carry on like everyone else is just being mean. Obviously people aren't happy about what we've seen on tv, I don't think any laws regarding anti-semitism should be enacted during Israels genocide, not sure Jews themselves should decide them. The laws won't be rolled back when its over... in another 100 years probably.

A former Liberal Party member and Neo-Nazi Stefan Eracleous, has been charged by the AFP with using a carriage service to harass a federal parliamentarian, one Lidia Thorpe. One very worrying aspect of far right politics is how so called conservatives develop a close affinity with these dangerous people. History shows that conservatives are willing to jump into bed with these kindred sprites of theirs, just take a look at some of the comments from so called conservatives, and you will see how their views often align with the views of the radical right, on such things as immigration, minorities, rule of law etc.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1343471897437928
Compare the above with the silly Nazi !

Indy,

A Muslim hater, another fellow racists. Now you and Mr Gruter would have a lot in common. The big difference being, Gruter is getting kicked out, and you got to stay. How many years is it now you've been living off generous Aussie welfare? 30, 40, 50, hummm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o47ZO-5Y3Ko
Paul1405 & Armchair Critic,
Could you please offer us your view on the people of Portugal, are they racist because they reject another religion ?
If Australians did what Portugal does then what would you describe them as ?

Indy,

I haven't given much thought to the people of Portugal, we have more than enough racists here in Australia, you being one of them. I do know the Portuguese didn't show much mercy to the indigenous of South America and Africa when they invaded the places. BTW, by chance, are you Portuguese?

I do know the Portuguese didn't show much mercy to the indigenous of South America and Africa when they invaded the places
Paul1405,
How odd that you remember their doings over there but somehow don't remember the doings of the Muslims in the Iberian peninsula before that ! Too inconvenient for your argument perhaps ?

Hi Indy,

The Reconquista or the fall of al-Andalus was a series of military and cultural campaigns by Northern Christian polities against Muslim-ruled al-Andalus, which had previously been part of the Visigothic Kingdom before the Muslim Conquest of 711. The Reconquista concluded in 1492 with the capture of Granada by the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, thereby ending the presence of any Muslim rule on the Iberian Peninsula.[

So it's not really a Muslim invasion any more than a Muslim return.

Interesting that parts of the video the Pro-Jewish bloke shared were actually from a video promoting Islam.

How Cities in Portugal are Filled With Muslims Once Again
http://youtu.be/iXv8nn_AfPg

But that's not what you asked.
"Could you please offer us your view on the people of Portugal, are they racist because they reject another religion?
If Australians did what Portugal does then what would you describe them as?"

I don't know what the right answer is to be honest.
I take issue with the video though, I don't want to hear from Jews whinging about Muslims is western countries, since they are the ones who exported their own Muslim problem to the West.
- And I've haddit with this sweep-it-under-the-rug fact.

All the wars in the Middle East in the modern era have been wars facilitated by US Neoconservatives / Christian Zionists for Israel.

So you have the Jews / Israelis which somehow have the U.S. (Christians) fighting against the Muslims, inc. Western Coalition of the willing (Australia / UK) in the War on Terror. Also U.S. is a nation under blackmail by Zionists. The Muslims now hate the West just like the indigenous Australian hate us. And somehow we let all the Muslims into the West.

Beyond that you have the Jews, the ones on the left promote immigration ad non racism, the ones on the right scream Israeli Nationalism and want to ethnically cleanse their own Muslim problem.
Both scream about Anti-Semitism, and right now I've had just about enough of all the religions (Abrahamic anyway) and I'm fed up with the political class as well.
Hypothetically, how I feel at this moment.
I'd have the head Jew backhanded across the face so hard he lands on his arse, and I'd say stop starting wars, stop causing genocide, stop inflitrating the west and blackmailing and trying to export your Muslim problem to the whole world.
Then I'd have the head Muslim backhanded across the face so hard he falls on the ground and I'd say the people in the West don't want your cancer either, we're sick of you targeting our women with perverted men who have never see a woman because they're always covered head to toe. We don't want you blocking streets to pay homage to Allah every day.
Then I'd find the head Christian and backhand him so hard he falls on the ground and say you stupid moron, you are trying to help the Jews cause Armageddon so Jesus comes back sooner you are just as dangerous as both the other 2 and quite honestly I'm sick of the lot of you I'll have you all banned and all your placed of worhip blown up.

The I'd start with the political purge all these leaders who have sabotaged their own countries and not had their own peoples best interests. They can all cop their backhand, then be imprisoned.

Send them and all the religious nuts that want to fight somewhere they can all destroy each other without harming the rest.

As for Australia, BBQ's Beers, Bikinis. AND BACON
And if you don't like it feck off.

And if you don't like it feck off.
Armchair critic,
That's exactly what you need to tell your friends whose one indoctrinated religious aim is to take over the World !

Indy,

You didn't ask about, "the doings of the Muslims in the Iberian peninsula" you asked; "your (that's me) view on the people of Portugal" To add for your edification, I've enjoyed some fine wine produced by the Portuguese, does that help you?

Indy,

I forgot to mention the great explorer Vasco da Gama was Portuguese. Something with your 3rd grade education you probably didn't know. Since we're doing this peoples thing, my tern, what do you think of the people of Finland?

Paul1405,
Haven't heard anything, let me check !

Paul1405,
back again from going through Youtube & speaking with a Finnish friend some months ago this is my reading between the lines.
The Finns are sick & tired of Muslim immigrants & worried like hell about Russia. Being part of NATO now is causing them more headaches than they'd have without it as Russia would not even bother to give Finland a second thought however, membership of NATO does come with a price costlier than just annual membership fees.
There's one positive eventuality with regard to Muslim invasion & that is that it'll destroy Democracy & this will make people think about it's fallacies & bring about the long overdue change of the Western political system.
The Russians ? Well, leave NATO to its merit & the rest will fall into place for the good of all.

Indy,

Being serious with you for a moment, mass immigration is a problem for many countries. The fact is mass immigration on its largest scale takes place in the third world, more so than in the west. Iran and Turkey have huge problems with migratory people fleeing wars and conflicts in the region, something in the order of 3 or 4 million per country. Just like you when you fled the oncoming Russians from that sh!thole you had created, due to your family collaboration with Nazi's. I get it people flee war zones. The solution is to stop wars, create economic stability and then uncontrolled mass immigration will dissipate. Do you understand?

when you fled the oncoming Russians from that sh!thole you had created, due to your family collaboration with Nazi's.
Paul1405,
Wrong as always. I left because the country became what Australia became 50 years later ! Now, there's nowhere to go anymore, the only option & slim hope is to enlighten people of the futility of the your mentality.
The "immigrants" you refer to aren't true refugees because if they were they'd not try to turn their host country into the craphole they came from. No lad, they're soldiers, nothing else ! You know that hence your every attempt to justify their coming here.
Wokeness is fracturing & conservatism is literally the only way to regroup sanity & common sense. Some cranks you call new Nazi are nothing in comparison to the ones you bring in without the consent of Australians !

Anti-immigration protesters marched through Melbourne's CBD on Sunday, drawing a large police presence. Unfortunately Neo-Nazi's displaying their hate symbols were once again there supporting Pauline Hanson as she riled against immigrants and Victoria in general.

Anti immigration is a deliberate wrong term for a Nation that was founded on colonisation & subsequent immigration.
The term incompatible disrupting migrants is more to the point.
No-one I know is straight forward against immigration, everyone is against trouble makers not decent folk
It is racist to call the people who built the Nation Anti immigrant ! Australians can't go & buy land & live in those countries who send their people here so therefore the policy has to be mutual !