Two thirds of Australians now want the “divisive and insulting” welcome to country nonsense banned at sporting events, according to a poll (Dynata).

63% of respondents want it axed. Similar result to Albanese's Voice.

72% of 18-24 year olds want it gone.

64% of respondents agree that all sporting disciplines are too Woke. That's a 3% increase since 2022. And the same 18-24 year olds (80% of them) think that professional sports people are wrong to use their positions to trumpet their personal politics.

It seems that recent claims that that generation is conservative might be true. What a blow for the ageing lefties. Particularly as 81% of the 18-24 year olds said players who refuse to sing the national anthem should not be allowed in national sporting teams.

And yes, this information comes from the right-wing demons in the Institute of Public Affairs.

The malicious aura is along the same lines of being seen to clap loudly for your great leader or else. Also a bit like the McCarthy era in the US. Nasty and coercive.

I regularly go to sporting events, primarily AFL. There's little doubt the crowd are completely over the whole scam.

They trot the obligatory 'ABBAriginal; out to welcome everyone to 'our' country. But the crowd just ignores it, cheering the team, taking the opportunity before the game starts to visit the toilets of the pie shop. Few pay any attention.

My impression is that even the obligatory 'ABBAriginal' is bored by the whole charade and just goes through the motions in order to get the paycheck which is what its all about.

Fortunately I have never been subjected to the insult of being welcomed to my own country; and I would not put myself in a position where I would. It's easy for me. I've never been into mass entertainment, which means I can do what I believe is now necessary in this post-sanity country: avoid the nasty bits.

Their must be a lot of gritted teeth among those people who enjoy spectator sports. They dare not say anything. A couple of days ago, a person was arrested and charged for booing the "welcome". Who says the UK experience is not here already!

It's OK to boo an umpire or the opposing team. But you can't do it to some old abo muttering bullsh.t that was invented in 1970, and getting paid a couple of grand for doing it.

ttbn

Some think it wonderful, some hate it, but that is not the point. Like the Nazi salute, it is the authoritarian treatment of it that is insidious and revolting. The assumption of its enforcers is that everyone loves it, so what's your problem? Like the Nazi salute, if you don't tow the line there can be consequences for you.

Fester

It all comes back to the sameness of our politicians. We live in drab, meaningless times, with little hope of change.

Good thread ttbn. Thanks and kudos.

Taking a "survey" among the like minded to get the biased result wanted is typical of the far right's so called Institute of Public Affairs. Having the forums usual suspects swooning about the "result" with rapturous glee, is also to be expected. Fellas get your bed sheets on, and flour sacks over your heads it's time yet again for your regular KKK forum hate speak fest of taking pot shots at those nasty black people!

Thanks CM,

Now Gen Z is being called “far right”. Gen Z are the ones indicating that they are fed up with abo-antics; not the IPA. It wasn't even their poll. They were just reporting the results of someone else's poll. But, true to form, the literary-challenged Troll, says to himself, ‘I know: I'll do what I do best and shoot the messenger. I'm too dumb to discuss the actual subject”. Then he refers to the “so-called” Institute of Public Affairs, when the Institute of Public Affairs is actually its name.

That's his literacy problem again. It's difficult to believe that anyone could be as thick as Troll 1405, but he keeps on proving that he is.

I note that he has added the KKK to his repertoire. At least he won't have trouble spelling that - maybe.

Who is Dynata?

Dynata is privately owned American company that performs consumer and business-to-business phone survey and market research. Dynata. Its directors are unknown, although it was cretaed by the politically conservative Tom Danbury in 1977, then called Survey Sampling International, they rely on a "member" phone base to conduct surveys, which are paid for by business and other organisations. ttbn how about a link to the so called survey, and then we can see how genuine it is.

"They aren't a scam, but their calls are known for being disruptive. Blocking Dynata's numbers doesn't work, as the company regularly rotates them. You can manually opt out of Dynata calls, but this takes time and effort."

Dynata is a regular outfit then; performing it's job like any sampling organisation. I'm not sure why the Troll went to the trouble of looking them up, when he knows they wouldn't be "genuine". The only thing he deems to be genuine is the stark raving-mad Green/Communists who use simpletons like him to spread their their lies and lunacy.

Correct, ttbn:

//Dynata is a regular outfit then; performing it's job like any sampling organisation.//

Their job is just collecting responses.

But they don’t design the questions, frame the issues, or spin the results. That’s the client’s role. In this case, the client is the IPA. So citing “Dynata” doesn’t prove the poll is neutral, it just proves the IPA paid Dynata to ring people.

//I'm not sure why the Troll went to the trouble of looking them up, when he knows they wouldn't be "genuine".//

That’s exactly why it was worth looking up. If you want people to take a poll seriously, you show the actual methodology: sample size, weighting, and above all, the exact wording of the questions. Without those, we can’t know if the poll was “genuine” or just carefully loaded.

//The only thing he deems to be genuine is the stark raving-mad Green/Communists who use simpletons like him to spread their their lies and lunacy.//

Name-calling doesn’t get you off the hook. Paul asked for a link to the survey - the questionnaire, not just the IPA press release. If you had it, you’d post it. The fact you dodge the request and default to insults makes it look like you don’t.

meaningless times, with little hope of change.
ttbn,
Courtesy of higher indoctrination disguised as education !

The posted data from this survey does surprise me, for example; "72% of 18-24 year olds want it gone." given that 28% either want it retained, or are ambivalent. With the known progressive voting patterns of that particular cohort, that would suggest that they would be more likely to be in agreement with "welcome to country", not opposed. I would like to see the source data, methodology, sampling size etc used, as JD has pointed out. It is very easy to get the result you want from phone surveys, simply by discounting the vast majority who don't give an answer, and hang up in your ear. I suspect the "72%" is derived after discounting the 90% who didn't respond at all.

Whenever questioned ttbn flies into a rage of insult. Why not simply provide more substance for your "survey", then others might take what you say seriously.

Spot on AC, but after all the wtc/AOC over the past years I think I've turned on the idea of any ritual being forced on people. Wasn't a council worker dismissed for not playing the game?

Hi Fester,
Hadn't heard about it so I looked it up.
Was it this - A street sweeper employee?

Court win for Melbourne worker who snubbed a land acknowledgement
http://youtu.be/7HtFUqLxXpw

What I thought was interesting was the statement from Darebin council.
"At council we have an ongoing commitment to recognise, respect and value Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and cultures in the community and our organisation."
- Torres Strait is 3000 klms from Melbourne.
They say it like it's the 'expected' thing to say without actually thinking about it.

I live in Brisbane, maybe I should pay my respects to the people of Fiji.
They are closer to me than Melbourne is to the Torres Strait.

Hi AC and Fester,

The woman is entitled to her opinion, and in some respects I agree that the "Welcome to Country" is overdone. I see in the comments; "Most of us have had a gut full!" Who are MOST, if a person is so sensitive that's them. In a year I might be subjected to such a welcome for 5 minutes in total, I can live with that.

On some level I object to the whole sportspeople / role model / political correctness thing.

If one of the players comes off, sucks down a quick cigarette on camera and washes it down with a stubby of XXXX and turns to the girls in the front row of crowd and says something dirty about which one he wants to take home after the game, I don't really care.
- It would probably make it more real.

It would probably make it more real.
Armchair critic,
And, more normal & sane !

This new tactic by desperate neer-do-wells, who have no idea about the discipline of statistics, and that all sampling companies are under legal constraint to work honestly, now trying to bring a particular pollster into disrepute shows up their childish need to win arguments.

Its a first, on OLO at least, for bunnies who have never called into question any of the pollsters whose results they choose to believe.

OK. Let's allow them to think they are winning, that they know everything, and wait for the shouting - or deadly silence - when reality bites them on the arse.

The old bloke seen a set of figures to his liking, put out by the far right Institute of Public Affairs. What the old bloke can't do is provide the methodology used to come up with the result. I doubt he can answer simple questions; How many people were contacted by the American phone survey business Dynata to give an opinion, and how many declined (hung up) without indicating a preference one way or the other? ttbn can you provide an answer to those questions. Me thinks not!

Welcome to country = farewell to country.
You can actually just stand back and watch as the whole nation goes down the drain.

Hi AC,

Don't be so pessimistic, I don't think Australia is going down the drain. The rest of the world might be, but not Australia, well not this week. Having Aunty or Uncle stand up and utter the good old 'Welcome to Country" isn't sending us to hell, but failures to adequately address economic and social problems that Aboriginal people face everyday is to our detriment, and that's the real issue.

Good news for ttbn, wait another 60 or 70 years and Gen Z, will become Gen Old Fart and they will vote for reactionary regressive politicians just like the ones you vote for today. Unfortunately for you they'll still only get 5% of the vote, like your mob do today.

Hi Paul,
Yeah ok, Welcome to country is just a symptom anyway.
I didn't support the Voice, but I did think we should try to do a little more to make their lives a little better.
Help them to help themselves and all that.
I do have a tiny bit of indigenous in me, not that anyone would know by looking.