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Charlie Kirk's martyrdom and what it means for Australia

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Trump supporter shoots up a Mormon church....
Accused church shooter seen wearing Trump shirt
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/us-politics-live-trump-slams-targeted-attack-on-us-10-shot-including-kids-in-mass-shooting/live-coverage/fd4f3cfbcf36eca2cbe038969ef12328

There's really no point getting upset with things when it comes to the grey zone the 2 main parties constantly create for people.
We're lead by deranged fools, just accept it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 4:52:32 AM
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Some interesting reading...

Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was ‘frightened’ by pro-Israel forces before death, friend reveals
http://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/

Top pro-Israel TPUSA donor terminated support for Kirk in days before death, sources say
http://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/22/israel-tpusa-donor-terminated-kirk/
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 6:11:30 AM
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When will you all realise how flawed our democracies really are.
You want to know why 'democracy' is so great?
It's because of how easily it can be bought.

Watch this.

Israeli American donor boasts of owning Trump
http://youtu.be/W3FrhA_zzWc

How many billions of US taxpayers wages do you think that 100 million actually bought?
- Pennies on the dollar, that's for sure.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 6:48:57 AM
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Armchair Critic,

There was so much there in that comment of yours replying to my points that I wasn't sure if I'd respond to it. Hopefully the numbering makes it clearer.

1. You're blurring two very different things. Saying "a 45-kg firefighter can’t do the job" or "a pilot must be licensed" is ability-based selection. Saying "you’re gay/Indian/Muslim/female so you can’t have this job" is identity-based discrimination. The research on minority stress is about the second category.

2. LGBT people aren’t a foreign problem to be "tolerated" - they’ve always been here, just like left-handers or redheads. The only thing that’s changed is whether society recognises their rights. Calling inclusion an "imported problem" is simply a way of making your discomfort sound like someone else’s fault.

3. You’re right that some religious doctrines reject same-sex relationships. That’s why anti-discrimination law draws a line between private belief and public service. You can hold your beliefs inside your church. You can’t impose them on other people’s jobs, housing or medical care.

4. A stunt about "penis-shaped cakes" is no more representative of LGBT rights than one fake disability claim is of wheelchair access. Citing a few provocateurs to dismiss decades of evidence is a rhetorical trick, not a rebuttal.

5. Minority stress is about health, safety, security, and opportunity - not a sensation of mild annoyance over who's temporarily in your presence.

6. Most "quotas" are actually short-term targets or reporting requirements to counter entrenched bias. The evidence shows they don’t tank standards; they broaden the candidate pool. That’s not a "race to the bottom," it’s dismantling barriers that kept whole groups out for decades.

7. Why should we be "civilised" or self-censor? Because societies that normalise dehumanising rhetoric and grievance politics become angrier, less safe, and more authoritarian. History is full of movements that started with "we’re just telling it like it is" and ended with actual violence.

You can criticise bad policies and disagree with inclusion, but let’s not pretend nostalgia, edge-case anecdotes or personal irritation outweigh decades of research showing that discrimination harms people and inclusion protects them.
Posted by John Daysh, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 8:48:23 PM
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Thank you John Daysh, well reasoned, well said, and spot on.

p/s I'm right out of kudos, but a generous sprinkle of pixie dust for the above comment.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 9:21:22 PM
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Hi AC

"When will you all realise how flawed our democracies really are."

Fortunately not as flawed as sources of your information. Churchill's observation is still a good one.
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 9:41:03 PM
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