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The Forum > General Discussion > Will the Coalition reject net zero and give the voters an alternative to economic suicide?

Will the Coalition reject net zero and give the voters an alternative to economic suicide?

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I do hope so. There is no shame in acknowledging failure and changing course. As a voter, as with The Voice, I would like a choice.

The renewable energy rollout is hitting a pinch point with grid saturation, so even with public support commercial interest will wane without a large increase in public subsidies.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/solar-farms-run-at-a-loss-due-to-curtailment-and-poor-weather/
Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 27 August 2025 8:09:01 PM
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Fester,

There's no point in asking us or anyone else what the Liberals (their National partners have made up their minds) will do about Net Zero when they themselves don't have a clue what they will do. The last I heard, they were going to take 12 months to think about it!

People seem to forget that if it wasn't for the Liberals, we wouldn't have Net Zero in the first place. Morrison rushed off to Scotland, or somewhere, to sign up to it without consulting voters.

You want a choice. I want a choice. Lots of us want a choice.

But, choice is something Australians no longer have, thanks to our virtual one party system, getting closer to a real one party system, with what Ley calls the “modernisation” of the Liberal Party. Australia is headed towards a truly Socialist system as the Liberal Party ‘modernises’ to get more lefty votes rather than do what they used to do: what is best for Australia.

I'm on the way out. My interest in what happens to Australia in the future is purely academic; but what is coming for apathetic, selfish Australians under about 50 years of age, is only what they deserve.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 27 August 2025 11:03:01 PM
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ttbn,

I appreciate your response, but I think that you paint yourself into a corner. It might have been Morrison's decision, but it's not as if the coalition is a cult party and the leader is the voice of God.

Everyone makes mistakes. More harm comes from digging your heels in.
Posted by Fester, Thursday, 28 August 2025 6:10:49 AM
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Fester,

“Economic suicide” is a slogan, not an argument. The article you linked doesn’t say Net Zero is impossible, it says our grid is under-invested and can’t keep up with the pace of renewable build-out. That’s not a death sentence for the transition, it’s a flashing neon sign saying “upgrade the grid.”

Every energy system in history has needed state support at critical junctures:

- Coal was subsidised.
- Gas pipelines were underwritten.
- The Snowy Scheme was taxpayer-funded from top to bottom.

If you applied your standard, Australia should have abandoned coal and hydro before they ever got off the ground.

The Coalition isn’t going to offer some fantasy “opt-out of Net Zero” choice. Their business backers, state governments, and even their rural constituencies are banking on clean-energy investment. That’s why they’re dithering for 12 months - they know the world has moved on, and they can’t afford to jump off without wrecking the economy they claim to defend.

So, the real choice isn’t “Net Zero or not.” The real choice is whether we fix transmission, storage, and planning now - or waste another decade peddling slogans while the rest of the world cashes in.
Posted by John Daysh, Thursday, 28 August 2025 6:40:36 AM
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Fester,

It was Morrison's undemocratic decision: not “ might have been”. He is directly responsible for Net Zero in Australia; so is the Liberal Party, who allowed - probably encouraged him - to do it.

I don't get your “it's not as if the coalition is a cult party and the leader is the voice of God”.

How do you see the Liberals? Still the slightly right of the Labor outfit that was preferable to Labor? Well, sorry mate: it's not that any more. It's just a bunch of self-serving politicians who can't get a proper job. Morrison and Turnbull changed it, with the aid of lefties who would make better Laborites than they do anything approaching a slightly conservative alternative to Labor and Socialism.

“Everyone makes mistakes”? We are not talking about ‘everyone’. We are talking about people entrusted and paid too much to run the country.

The Liberal Party is no longer a ‘choice’ to escape Labor. And, anyway, it seems that the mutton-heads who are forced to vote for one awful side or the other are quite happy with Albanese who, although, in 2022 promised to unite Australia, has polarised us even further. It's no wonder that people who can afford to - the people we need most - are starting to talk about leaving Australia for good.

I know that you are a concerned person, but there are no political movements that Australians are willing to vote for to get us out of the mess we are in.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 28 August 2025 9:11:36 AM
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- Coal was subsidised.
- Gas pipelines were underwritten.
- The Snowy Scheme was taxpayer-funded from top to bottom.
John Daysh,
Whatever is for the use of the community should be paid for by the community ! It's not like Academia, Sport & Art etc. which is of no use to the community yet the community is forced to support them.
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 28 August 2025 10:36:50 AM
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