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Review: 'Democracy's raw deal'

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Oh and compulsory voting was introduced by conservatives because union organisers where better at getting people out to vote.
Are you sure you want to get rid of it?
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 27 May 2025 12:29:42 PM
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The Department of Home Affairs has listed 51,000 failed asylum seekers still in Australia even after they have exhausted all legal tricks to remain here. 43,000 more are jamming up the silly tribunal system, with 28,000 more waiting to hear what's happening.

Why hasn't the Albanese socialist regime deported at least the 51,000 who have received a definite NO?

Well, the Socialists can do pretty much as they want now, after forced-to-vote morons put them back in power, and the Liberals were too busy fighting among themselves to run a decent campaign.

Perhaps Albanese will bend the system so that he can force failed asylum seekers to vote Labor.

There is also a very nasty group - the Asylum Resource Centre - pushing for rejected asylum seekers - and asylum seekers who get rejected in Australia must really, really be on the nose - to be given permanent protection. Makes sense. They are not entitled to asylum, but let them stay anyway! And, naturally, they want full access to work, Medicare, study, and welfare.

Labor for Refugees is another nasty mob, directly connected to the ALP.

Labor also has an inner advisor, law professor Mary Kenny, who is pushing for scrapping offshore processing, giving permanent visas to people already denied protection, letting children sponsor their parents, creating new ‘emergency visas’, make detention optional(!), and establishing ‘trauma informed’ counselling for people rejected!

This is what happens when morons who know nothing, and don't care, are forced to vote.

This country’s name should change from Australia to Moronalia.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 27 May 2025 3:40:28 PM
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The informal vote increased in the 2025 election to 5.6%. That's over a million people who obviously shouldn't be forced to vote for starters. But, as those million people can't be identified, voting for everyone should be voluntary, then we would have a much better idea of how many Australians are really interested in their country and their own wellbeing. We have to do something to get a better class of politician, elected by a better class of voter who actually wants to vote and have some influence.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 27 May 2025 3:59:52 PM
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Dear Mikk,

I cannot speak for Ttbn of course,
some of his views I share, others not (like on immigration),
but definitely so, compulsory voting has to go,
no matter who introduced it,
because it is just wrong to compel people. Period.
It is just absolutely outrageous to make it an offence for someone to stay in bed, see their family and friends, go to the beach or whatever, they have done you no harm, they are just not interested in your silly state - that must never be a crime!

Compulsory preferences too must go - it places me in a moral dilemma every time, because when I am forced to choose between two great evils, say between Hitler and Stalin and I place Hitler in the last spot and Stalin in the penultimate spot, and suppose Stalin gets elected then I become morally responsible for voting him in - YUCK!

- And this may also be the reason for the increase in informal votes, people who did want to vote and influence, but could not stomach the above situation.

I do like preferences though, but only as many as you want.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 27 May 2025 4:56:18 PM
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Great result in the Senate vote in Tassie, Jacqui Lambie has been returned for another 6 years. AND, the bigot racists candidate from One Nation, the daughter of the Lovely Pauline, failed, well done Jacqui! We must thank compulsory voting for this result. We can't afford to see a small voter turnout elect these far right ratbags with a minimal number of votes.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 May 2025 6:46:51 PM
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The idea that its undemocratic to force people to vote is just toooo precious. There are lots of things we are forced to do - drive on the left side; stop on red; attend the DMV for an eye-test (if you're of a certain age); etc; etc; etc.

Struth during the great WuFlu hysteria, the vast bulk of the population meekly adhered to all sorts of anti-democratic diktats.

So being required to attend a polling booth every coupla years seems rather tame in regards to infringement of theoretic rights.

The beauty of compulsory voting isn't that it forces people to vote. Its that is obviates the needs of the candidates to get them to vote. We see in the US the hoopla that parties go through to generate enthusiasm in order to get people to turn up and vote. As much as I'd love to attend a Trump style rally, I think Australia is better for not having to generate the vaudeville style electioneering that occurs in jurisdictions where compulsory voting doesn't happen.
Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 28 May 2025 5:07:19 PM
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