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Tariffs on imported products is the new normal
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 March 2025 10:48:03 AM
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The only mistake I made was failing to remove the word 'don't' in my prior comment.
Should've read - >>We have this thing called 'the internet'<< Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 March 2025 11:09:53 AM
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Dear Critic,
«...has ties to and donates to Orthodox Jewish causes which are involved in Yeshiva schools that probably help to create more settlers in Israel which assist in he displacement of Palestinians» FYI, "Yeshivah" literally means "sitting" - a place where Jews sit and study Torah, a generic name for Torah colleges. Different streams of Judaism have their own Yeshivas, but you specifically mentioned Agudath Yisrael, which is the umbrella organisation of traditional Jewish Ultra-Orthodoxy, and is completely different to the "national religious" Jews who are the trouble-makers behind the settlers and displacers, etc. In fact, most members of Agudath Yisrael originally opposed the creation of the state of Israel, and some of them still do not recognise it. They are certainly not interested in wars, expansion and ethnic-cleansing like their "national religious" counterparts. Sadly so, Agudath Yisrael is now in coalition with Netanyahu, but that is only because the Israeli centre parties in opposition, hate them and foolishly want to conscript their boys who are devoted Torah students. Agudath Yisrael therefore took refuge with Netanyahu even while they do not share his political outlook, only in order to save their children. They are the most moderate within that bloody coalition and push as much they can within the Israeli government for hostage release and ending the war. Members of Agudath Yisrael are anything but settlers and their Yeshivas are pretty crowded and take very little space. The Israeli branch of Agudath Yisrael presently needs further emergency donations because Israel's high court decreed that their scholar boys may no longer be exempt from the IDF, which they ordered to call them up ASAP; also that childcare for children of scholar fathers who abscond from the IDF (that's the vast majority of Agudath Yisrael) should no longer be subsidised (nor are these fathers legally allowed to work before they complete a military service). Perhaps you too can fork some for these heroes that refuse to serve in the IDF, even while some of them are being arrested, they who keep calling out loud: "we shall rather die than be conscripted"!? Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 21 March 2025 1:21:15 PM
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If one wants to delve into the complex thinking of The Trumpster mhaze, then one should listen carefully to the chirpings of The Trumpster's budgie Donald. After all it is through the channeling of Donald (The Budgie) that The Trumpster gains all his in depth knowledge of Donald (The Orange Man). Is that not so Trumpster?
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 21 March 2025 5:45:08 PM
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Oh well maybe I have got it all wrong Yuyutsu,
It was my understanding that through the Yeshiva schools Orthodox Jews particularly from New York sometimes / often end up making aliyah to Israel and end up becoming the settlers spoken about in the articles above, hence the 'American citizens are leading rise of settler violence on Palestinian lands'. I'm glad for those who do not wish to make war on the Palestinians, however I'm not too keen on the Jewish religion either. Do all Orthodox Jews study both the Torah and the Talmud? So I guess my criticism here is probably 'a little from column a and a little from column b' Didn't really mean to go into it all, my original comment was simply that Walmart and Costco have a relationship with Jews and were trying to pass Trumps tariffs onto the Chinese, which I kind of think is wrong, but I'm not necessarily opposed to haggling for a good deal, if one can get one. (But thanks for the info) I bet Walmart and Costco's customers don't get to haggle though, it'd be like Kmart, that's the price, take it leave it. I wonder about those tariffs now, and maybe my understanding here is also wrong. Who pays the tariffs, the exporter (China) or the importer (Walmart and Costco) who pass it onto the consumer with price increases? Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 March 2025 6:40:44 PM
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Dear Critic,
«It was my understanding that through the Yeshiva schools Orthodox Jews particularly from New York sometimes / often end up making aliyah to Israel and end up becoming the settlers spoken about in the articles above» Quite possible, because "Yeshivah" is a generic term, but in that case it would not be an ultra-orthodox or Agudath-Yisrael Yeshivah. National-religious Jews have their own Yeshivas. «Do all Orthodox Jews study both the Torah and the Talmud?» Orthodox Jews believe that the Talmud IS the bulk of the Torah. According to them, only a small portion of the Torah was physically written down by Moses, to become the first five books of the Bible, while the rest was passed orally from generation to generation until it was revealed in the Mishnah, then in the Talmud. More information in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Torah I am not familiar with the Walmart case, but tariffs in general are paid by importers to their government, then they pass on that cost to the consumers. Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 22 March 2025 8:18:20 PM
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*Please note: We don't have this thing called 'the internet'
Costco follows Walmart's lead on tariffs
http://qz.com/costco-chinese-suppliers-trump-tariffs-walmart-retail-1851770987
"With rising import costs due to tariffs, Costco along with major U.S. retailers like Walmart – is trying to get suppliers to absorb some of the hit. This has placed additional pressure on Chinese exporters, who are already grappling with years of tariffs and razor-thin margins."
Schools Agenda Links Walton Family and Orthodox Jewish Group
http://www.philanthropy.com/article/schools-agenda-links-walton-family-and-orthodox-jewish-group/
"The Arkansas-based Walton Family Foundation has given or pledged $3.1-million to Agudath Israel since 2008, making it the Jewish organization’s biggest single donor. Agudah,"
US Orthodox group launches campaign against New York Times yeshiva coverage
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-orthodox-group-launches-campaign-against-new-york-times-yeshiva-coverage/
"Agudath Israel of America’s ‘Know Us’ initiative aims to push back against critical series of articles on Jewish schools, using billboards, white paper report, online outreach"
Who are Israeli settlers, and why do they live on Palestinian lands?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-settlers-and-why-do-they-live-on-palestinian-lands
"The argument is that settlements act as a buffer for Israel’s national security as they restrict the movement of Palestinians and undermine the viability of a Palestinian state. However, some on the Israeli left argue that the settlement expansion hurts the two-state solution and thereby Israel’s own prospects for peace."
Settler terrorism: An American problem
http://www.brookings.edu/articles/settler-terrorism-an-american-problem/
"American Jews have certainly attacked Palestinians in the past. Baruch Goldstein, the physician that killed 29 Palestinians and wounded 125 in the 1994 Hebron massacre, was born and raised in Brooklyn."
How American citizens are leading rise of ‘settler violence’ on Palestinian lands
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/15/biden-extremist-jewish-settlers-travel-ban-loophole
Many of the estimated 60,000 Americans living in the West Bank outside of occupied East Jerusalem moved to settlements for the lifestyle and have little to do with the Palestinians on whose land they live. But a core of ideologically driven US citizens were at the forefront of building religious settlements on land expropriated from Palestinians while others have led the rise of what has been described as “settler terrorism”.
Jeff Brotman, Costco founder, dies aged 74
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jeff-brotman-costco-founder-dies-aged-74/
"Jewish philanthropist said he learned values of helping disadvantaged, encouraging diversity, from his parents, rabbi"