But isn't, as others have stated, the starvation due to overpopulation rather than the form of government?

LOL! Spanky your kidding right?
ok wait let me clarify the way in which these people lived, so there was racial classification as to where these people could go, there was an allocation of resources so as to disenfranchise the blacks from their land per se, you were classified as to who you can have sex with and who you could marry according to race through a belief in Eugenics, you where classified by your race as to what school and what university you could go to, where you shopped and where you went to the cinemas was classified by your race, the Bantustan's in which these people lived were crowded hell holes, non violent passive forms of resistance in protest of the so called 'passes' by South Africans in Sharpeville resulted in 69 of them being shot in the back, in the Soweto uprising 500 more were again mostly shot in the back for apposing the implementation of Afrikaans as a first language for school children... of course it was once 'a beautiful country' in your eyes wasn't it?

The 'native' people to the land are doing it for themselves that is the main thing, if it is to result in overpopulation then so be it, if it is to result in another revolution by the working class then so be it, if it is to result in violence then so be it, these people are doing it for themselves free from 'white racist' rule. It was 'Jim Crow' segregation on a grand scale, and you sir are an idiot to believe that these people were better off living under white rule as opposed to whatever form of self determination that currently exists.

DFunkt, 'But isn't, as others have stated, the starvation due to overpopulation rather than the form of government?'

Not in the case of Zimbabwe. When Mugabe took over, his reforms destroyed the economy. The worst changes were the seizing of white-owned farms and giving them to blacks with no farming experience. Production plumeted until the former 'bread-basket of Africa' went into severe food shortages. The farms were allowed to run to ruin and unemployment topped 60%, yet Mugabe was able to spend $72 million on Chinese armaments (as he feared losing upcoming elections).
Foreign investment also dropped as businesses were targetted in a similar manner to the farms.
In 2001, he ordered price cuts on what was left of the food suuply, causing remaining producers to close up as they were receiving less than cost price.

Now South Africa has chosen to go down the same road.

Botswana, with a more democratic government, seems to be surviving well enough. So, what was that about the cause not being the form of goverment?

Peachy,
Like I said, you only believe what you see or hear in the media.

They only show you the pictures of black children being shot in the back, they only show you the worst senarios involving black people,

Try viewing South African TV and tell me just how many white programmes or white people for that matter, you see on the television.

we all know this for the rest of the world to feel sorry for them and they live up to it and welcome this with open arms...and the suckers fall for it.

They only show you the pictures of black children being shot in the back, they only show you the worst scenarios involving black people,

Try viewing South African TV and tell me just how many white programmes or white people for that matter, you see on the television.

we all know this for the rest of the world to feel sorry for them and they live up to it and welcome this with open arms...and the suckers fall for it.
Posted by SPANKY, Saturday, 13 October 2007 7:43:26 PM

Can I just clarify SPANKY?

Are you saying that under apartheid the SA.Government was open in its alleged??abuses of the black? They did not attempt to cover-up such abuse?

Ginx, I think you missed Spanky's point. I saw it as how the media manipulated the facts and only showed atrocities against blacks. Any anti-white atrocities are never shown. The news doesn't cover the murders of white farmers in Zimbabwe, does it?

Bringing up the SA apartheid era doesn't help as that is long gone, but surely you don't think that the new regime is a good replacement.