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Gender And The Coming Election

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“Before Albanese gets himself kicked out of office, he seems determined to ruin the business world with his gender equality targets which are on the agenda for the first week of Parliament”. (Anon)

It's a genuinely anonymous comment from the Flat White section of Spectator Australia. Subscribe if you want to read the full article.

It seems that Albanese has come up with a “ridiculously insulting gender law”.

Employers with 500 or more employees will have to pick “three Woke-style targets”, one of which is the gender profile of the workforce. ‘Anonymous’ slips in the fact that no mention is made about whether or not men who identify as women will count as women.

If naughty employers of 500 or more people do not obey the Albanese diktat - i.e they continue to hire on merit and suitability, not gender, within three years - the government will publicly name and shame them, and cut off any grants they might be entitled to.

Albanese the blackmailer lives.

‘Anonymous’ describes this dangerous, meddling nonsense as “we care about women when it is politically convenient”, or “women are useful tools in our election agenda”.

I am able to advise that Flat White's is editor is a woman
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 3 February 2025 11:10:19 AM
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Apart from the inefficiency of DEI (now a thing of the past in the U.S) compared with merit, governments have no business dictating to private enterprise, particularly as they are not very good at their own job of running the country.

The only connection between business and government should be consumer protection legislation.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 3 February 2025 6:30:53 PM
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Yes I agree with you.
They've got no business involving themselves in the running of businesses when they can't do either that or run the country properly themselves.

Some of these old school branch managers are still working for Schwab, haven't knelt or pledged allegiance to Trump yet.

Musk has pronounced war on USAID and the deep state, it's a revolution of sorts.
I know Trump has revoked a heap of security clearances like Clapper, Brennan and Bolton.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 5:30:21 AM
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What's the problem - just never have more than 499 employees!

Being named and shamed by government - Isn't that an honour to be shunned by these bastards?

And not receiving government grants - Isn't it shameful to accept them?
Didn't you just say, Ttbn, that "The only connection between business and government should be consumer protection legislation" (I personally think that even that is too much)?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 6:06:21 AM
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Thomas Jefferson wrote, “Government exists for the interests of the governed, not for the governors.” That doesn't seem to be the case now.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 7:52:30 AM
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ttbn,

Did Jefferson apply that principle to the 600 slaves he owned? Me thinks not. History reports Jefferson was a particularly brutal owner, not sparing the lash when it came to truculent black men and women!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 8:24:23 AM
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This proposed legislation of enforced DEI and Albanese's identity politics/divide and conquer manifesto, is just another attempt at avenging the loss of the Voice referendum which, had it been successful, would have divided us into two tribes: descendants of aborigines and descendants of "invaders".

The really egregious thing about Albanese's pre-election screeching is that he accuses Dutton of wanting to 'divide Australia'.

Albanese actually thinks that you voters are thicker than he is. The plonker is torn between winning the election and getting back at Australians for all his failures.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 8:43:11 AM
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I wouldn't get too worked up about this. The way they're running the economy, its unlikely that, in three years when this kicks in, there'll be any companies that can afford to keep 500 workers going!!

Of course, a government that claims it is focused on improving the nations productivity shows that claim is mere rhetoric when they institute policies like this.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 10:11:04 AM
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A National Service would once & for all sort the wilful & artificial "confusion" about Gender. Engage people in activities for which the gender they identify with are identified ! Focus on DEI & put them out in the field for two months in every daily physical activity & watch them re-access their Gender !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 10:49:09 AM
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Interesting prediction, mhaze, and one that could come true. Companies going broke is a weekly event, and most of the manufacturers have gone.

Indyvidual

Your views on the need for conscription are shared by ex-army chief General Leahy. Young Australians don't want to enlist; the Morrison government and the Albanese government treated/treat the ADF like shite and don't know or care about what is the greatest threat to the country since the 1930s; and the current lot want to recruit foreigners, just as they are with cops. What next? Mercenaries? Perhaps we could get the US to free us from bad governments and stupidity. They already have a few thousand troops here.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 11:12:03 AM
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Note that the legislation only cover businesses. Not government agencies.

Typical. Force the productive sector to follow their stupid ideological rules, but exempt themselves.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 2:21:03 PM
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WHO CAME UP WITH THIS GEM? Dud Dutton and his Noalition of Clowns has kicked an own goal with their radical economy saving policy, wait for it.. costing just $1.6 billion (Treasury figure), a tax deduction for the lobster and champagne mob as the well heeled bosses enjoy yet another perk on the long suffering taxpayer! I hope the Old Fart mob supporting such a policy do enjoy cold beans on dry toast, because that's all they'll be getting if the Noalition is elected.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 5:02:14 PM
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Young Australians don't want to enlist;
ttbn,
It's not going to be a matter of wanting to enlist or not. The post Labor economic circumstances will make it an absolute necessity to keep inflation, unemployment & crime down.
The coffers are too lean to keep on offering support packages & frivolous projects funding.
It's not military conscription in the traditional sense, it's a mentality rescue.
The Public Service is now too saturated to recruit more Labor/Left voters. The time is now right to put an ultimatum to the coming generations to discard unaffordable Woke & DEI nonsense.
People are worried about genetic engineering yet they embrace & defend it when it is portrayed as Woke i.e. social engineering ! There's an extremely dangerous fine line separating the two.
The irresponsible lowering of education standards has already divided society & once this impacts economically that fan will really cop what's being flung at it by the Disciples of stupidity !
Posted by Indyvidual, Tuesday, 4 February 2025 9:17:04 PM
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Indy,

"Young Australians don't want to enlist" what a hypocrite are YOU! You came to this country as a "migrant refugee" ashamed to say from where, probably from Europe where your people had turned it into a sh!thole through waring with each other. When you had the opportunity to enlist in the Army (Australian citizens up to the age of 35), you failed to do so, you have admitted that in the past. Now as some Old Fart, safe from any military service, you bang on about young people and what they should do, some crackpot idea of national service. I ask what national service have you ever done for Australia? Other that years of living off the public purse, I'd say NONE!

I was away last week, met a bunch of young people who had a rocky start to life, but are now on the right track, and developing talents that will see them have a bright future.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 5 February 2025 6:58:52 AM
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Paul1405,
For some time now you've waffled on about your doings regarding helping the young. Any success stories as yet or are you still raking in dubious funding by conning some incompetent bureaudroid into handing Taxpayer Dollars to you ? Did you make much from the Voice scheme ?
Fyi, I wasn't a refugee when I arrived here but with characters like you around I'm starting to get the idea what it feels like being one ! Btw. how're things in Sunnyvale ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 5 February 2025 10:17:54 AM
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Hi ttbn,
"This proposed legislation of enforced DEI and Albanese's identity politics/divide and conquer manifesto, is just another attempt at avenging the loss of the Voice referendum which, had it been successful, would have divided us into two tribes: descendants of aborigines and descendants of 'invaders'."

- I'm not sure it's altogether any different than what you are doing with supporting Pro-Israel LNP.
You're helping to divide our country along the lines of Pro-Israel and Antisemites are you not?

Dividing the country with 2 different groups of Australians is actually a better division than dividing it over (the invaders) loyalties to foreign nations.

'descendants of aborigines and descendants of invaders'
becomes
'Supporters of Israel and non-supporters of Israel'
- (Basically AntiSemites - because if you don't fully support Israel that's what you are by the foreigners definition'

Whereas with this division - the latter anti-semites should be openly hounded like dogs, charged and imprisoned for their views as holding a a different opinion in regards to this particular cult is considered unacceptable.

It has the same stinking divisive feeling as Hillarys 'deplorables' comment.

So now we have laws against anti-semites
And one side of politics accuses the the other of being antisemitic.
Why do I have the feeling this isn't going to end well?

I'd rather go back to good wholesome black and whites hating on each other than have anything to do with this foreign loyalty business.

Australia. It's all downhill from here.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 6 February 2025 7:21:07 PM
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"Young Australians don't want to enlist"
I'm not sure any western countries are able to meet recruitment targets.
Nobody wants to die for Taiwan or Ukraine, or any other stupid western provoked war, o to protect the U.S dollar.

People have become confused as to what they would even be fighting for;
And that means we'll lose, because we don't have the moral high ground or the will to suffer the hardships brought by war.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 6 February 2025 7:31:40 PM
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Armchair critic,
You've been here long enough to remember that we have discussed Non Military National Service before rather than straight-out military Service.
A NMNS would be a mentality restorer & those so inclined would then be in a position to make an informed choice if they want a career in the armed Forces or in industry etc. What the point here is, is the offer & opportunity to instil a sense of respect, responsibility & belonging in those in the 18-21 year range & those who are already well adjusted will have no qualms about sharing & offering their healthy mentality with those who need the exposure to it !
We have to offer young people whose parents & or present society failed them, the Right to participate in Society building & offer them hope to live in a better society than what we are now !
Posted by Indyvidual, Thursday, 6 February 2025 8:39:21 PM
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Dear AC,

Volodymyr, Vlad to his mates, (ex-comic and fearless leader) is personally prepared to accept your ultimate sacrifice (death) in the glorious defence of the sacred soil of the Fatherland (that's Ukraine). Your corpse (or what is left of it after you single handedly attack a battalion of Russian tanks) will be venerated, as it is paraded in reverence before the mass Ukrainian people, draped in the glorious flag of the Fatherland (that's that, yellow and blue thing).

WELL! Has the above not inspired you to do your duty to the Ukrainian cause? What else can I say, I'm sure it has.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 6 February 2025 8:43:34 PM
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I propose we let all those in support of this gender issue form their own society totally independent of sane folk ! See how their economics work out after not access to ours !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 9 February 2025 12:08:07 PM
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Hi Indy,
Yes I remember, we both kind of put forward the same thing just a little bit different.

"A NMNS would be a mentality restorer & those so inclined would then be in a position to make an informed choice if they want a career in the armed Forces or in industry etc. What the point here is, is the offer & opportunity to instil a sense of respect, responsibility & belonging in those in the 18-21 year range & those who are already well adjusted will have no qualms about sharing & offering their healthy mentality with those who need the exposure to it !"

I never really disagreed with what you put forward I certainly agree some of these young people have no idea where they are going, or what they're supposed to be doing, and for some of them I think it could be a real positive for them in their lives, the youth crime statastics prove you're definitely on the right track.

These kids need some self disciple, rather than a 'dgf attitude' (which can only take problem kids so far) and the feeling of achieving something worthwhile, and becoming more than that which they are, lead by wiser older people who understand them and encourage them to do better and be better.

- My only misgivings are that they might be being prepared to be used as cannon fodder in some stupid foreign shored conflict.

"We have to offer young people whose parents & or present society failed them, the Right to participate in Society building & offer them hope to live in a better society than what we are now !"
- Absolutely, and if we don't we're the ones to blame for failing them, failing ourselves, our communities and our nation.

I never supported forcing anything on anyone, but to just set in place a path in which they may more successfully help themselves.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 8:07:02 PM
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"WELL! Has the above not inspired you to do your duty to the Ukrainian cause? What else can I say, I'm sure it has."

Well I must admit it was very inspiring Paul...
The Brits and the French are willing to put up 25K troops each to freeze the conflict 'peacekeepers' so they can regroup and start the war all over again on another day.
Now the collective west seem to be fighting over resources, Trump wants a refund.

'Collective West' seems to be a bit of a misnomer though, Trumps tariffs have made it 'every man for himself' and the unity over Ukraine has now fractured. The Europeans met in Paris to figure out how to sabotage Trumps peace plan.

The Brits and Europeans still haven't woken up to the fact the war is lost, with no possible way to salvage anything.
Russia will set terms, Trump has a very weak hand and limited ability to do anything about it.

If new security agreements cannot be agreed upon and peace cannot be found, Russia will continue the conflict until the Ukrainian military collapses entirely, and the government capitulates.
- which probably isn't all that far off, maybe 6mths or so if the conflict continues.

Sending more Ukrainians to fight will just cost them more in blood and territory.
Russians are dying in somewhat significant numbers, but not anywhere near the same rate the Ukrainians are.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 18 February 2025 8:32:11 PM
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