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Trump’s Authoritarian Populist Politics

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Dear mhaze,

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I have never left sight of it.

Some opinions can get you into trouble.

Better be careful !

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 15 February 2025 10:34:02 PM
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The story I heard last week, that $8 million per year was spent on Politico Pro, totaling 30m and staff are now not being paid their salaries or something, but that's not the only media USAID were funding.
http://youtu.be/YHiGZznA9o4

There seems to be a lot of he says / she says atm.
It's hard to know what's true for every individual claim.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 16 February 2025 1:02:07 AM
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So Banjo,

My opinions need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt while your opinions should be accepted as just your interpretation.

Ever thought of a little self-reflection?
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 16 February 2025 7:39:05 AM
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Dear mhaze,

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It's not a question of whose opinion it is, yours, mine, or somebody else’s.

It’s a question of what that opinion expresses, how it is expressed, the context in which it is expressed and the effect it may have on others who may not see it as an opinion at all.

Some may see it as fact, information of which they were not aware, and act on it – perhaps violently and with dramatic consequences.

What you wrote was :

« the subscriptions represented corruption on a grand scale … including Treasury »

That does not appear to be expressing an opinion. It appears to be a statement of fact. It is a serious accusation of a major offence.

What I wrote was :

« It's a vast operation of Trump propaganda ».

That also appears to be a statement of fact.

It was my interpretation of the same events based on my detailed analysis of the facts, and the elaborate public presentation filmed on TV from Trump’s office in the White House of the “extraordinary expenses” uncovered by Elon Musk’s team of brilliant young geeks. The fact that neither Trump nor Musk made the slightest allusion to corruption of any sort, gave the event an air of propaganda.

The point is not who said what, mhaze. I’m happy for you to be saying what I said and vice versa. But I think it’s important to see the difference between the form and significance of the two statements.

Both could be understood as statements of fact, but the former is ill-founded and could have dire consequences, whereas the risk of that occurring with the latter is negligible.

To me, that makes all the difference

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Sunday, 16 February 2025 11:30:48 AM
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Vance gave the Europeans a serious dressing down.
More or less called them all a bunch of out of control authoriatarians.
Worth the watch, great speech.

Vice President JD Vance Delivers Remarks at the Munich Security Conference
http://www.youtube.com/live/pCOsgfINdKg
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 16 February 2025 11:36:58 AM
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Banjo,

Ya gotta be kidding.

According to you, your opinion, stated as though its a fact is okey-dokey because it is, IN YOUR OPINION, a fact, whereas my opinion stated as a fact, is not OK because, IN YOUR OPINION, its not a fact.

I wish I could explain to you how bonkers that it, but I don't think you'd get it.

Your opinions are fact and my facts are opinion!! !! Struth.

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AC,

Yes, a glorious speech. Quite possibly the best heard in Europe since Reagan's 'tear down this wall' speech.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 16 February 2025 1:52:00 PM
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